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All aboard the Solar Express! Radical train concept could travel at 3,000km/s [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | August 25, 2016 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 08/26/2016 6:27:49 AM PDT by C19fan

It is faster than your average train - and could ferry humans and material to Mars in a matter of hours. The stunning Solar Express is described as 'a space train', and would travel a neverending high speed route, meaning it never slows. 'It would run non-stop, so smaller vessels would need to catch the train when it passed by,' its creators say.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: space
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To: castlebrew
...and a Delta system crash...

At least you get a free bus trip to Holiday Inn Express.

21 posted on 08/26/2016 7:18:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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To: chajin

The pressure in the interior of the sun is strong enough to fuse hydrogen into helium. There is no possible structure that could withstand such pressure.


22 posted on 08/26/2016 7:20:42 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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To: C19fan
If you have to accelerate a smaller vessel to get on, then jump off and decelerate on arrival, what have you gained exactly?

23 posted on 08/26/2016 7:33:49 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: C19fan

This ‘train’ does not slow down to pick up passengers. In order to match speeds to catch up with the train, you are already goi g fast enough to go to your Mars destination without the train and as g forces need to be in the 1 g range (except for short periods) it would take more than the 37 hours to safely attain such speeds.
Perhaps a long bungee cord to slowly bring one up to speed. Now we are in the realm of road runner and coyote.


24 posted on 08/26/2016 7:42:49 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The pressure in the interior of the sun is strong enough to fuse hydrogen into helium. There is no possible structure that could withstand such pressure.

You're right, of course; I was aiming at humor. In any case, I would think that it would make more sense to use the sun's gravitation as a whip, so that at 3000 km/s one could not only get around the sun in a few hours, but also be far enough away to handle the sun's heat and its other radiations.

25 posted on 08/26/2016 7:59:12 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: C19fan

The hype didn’t fool FR readers. They understood the acceleration/ deceleration problem right away.


26 posted on 08/26/2016 8:01:21 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The media is acting full-on as the Democratic PartyÂ’s press agency now: Robert Spencer.)
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To: C19fan

“sans forced evolved spice addicted navigators folding space”

Where is the fun in that?!?


27 posted on 08/26/2016 8:01:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chajin

Doesn’t need a heat shield - just schedule the trans-solar passages at night.


28 posted on 08/26/2016 8:05:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: C19fan

This concept actually isn’t bad, but would be much more feasible to put something like this in permanent translunar orbit. Mars and Earth have no simple orbital resonance, so you would be aiming at a constantly moving target, whereas with the moon, you can put it in one orbit and then only use fuel to maintain that orbit.

Then, we would only need to launch things into earth orbit, they could rendevouz with the “train” there, and hop off at the moon, where they need very little fuel to descend to the surface.

I think I have my next project for Kerbal space program :D


29 posted on 08/26/2016 8:07:37 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chajin

I’m thinking that it would be simpler to just go at night. :=)


30 posted on 08/26/2016 8:08:39 AM PDT by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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To: jonrick46

Yeah, escape velocity from earth orbit is only 11 kps, so that would be quite an additional burn to get to 3000 kps.


31 posted on 08/26/2016 8:11:44 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“There is no possible structure that could withstand such pressure.”

Well, you only say that because you haven’t discovered transparent aluminum yet :P


32 posted on 08/26/2016 8:12:37 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: jonrick46
The devil is in the details. If there are human passengers, there is the time taken to move up to 3,000 kilometers per second. While moving up to the cruising speed, G-forces will be experienced by all humans. Will they be able to walk around during this period? I think not. The same goes for the deceleration phase. I suspect, if someone does the math, the time for acceleration and deceleration will take up more than a few hours.

The real point is that, if you have to first accelerate to 3,000 km/s - i.e., if you are able to first accelerate to the cruising speed - you don't even need to "hook up" with the space train: Just continue cruising at 3,000 km/s in the frictionless vacuum of space.

Until shortly before you reach your destination, in which case you will have to deccelerate anyway.

Regards,

33 posted on 08/26/2016 8:33:37 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

“The real point is that, if you have to first accelerate to 3,000 km/s - i.e., if you are able to first accelerate to the cruising speed”

Exactly!
If you can already get ‘cars’ up to that speed and decelerate them... why link them to a train ever? Just fly around in the cars and call it a day.


34 posted on 08/26/2016 9:20:52 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: C19fan

3000 km/sec is 100 times the speed of the Earth orbiting the Sun.

Such a craft would not go to Mars; it would depart the Solar System for intergalactic space in short order.


35 posted on 08/26/2016 9:39:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: chajin

Escape velocity from the sun at the earth’s orbit is 44 km/sec. An object traveling at 3000 km/sec would escape the solar system (and the Milky Way) and never be seen again. The whole concept is idiotic.


36 posted on 08/27/2016 4:29:02 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This space available)
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