[VANITY] Ben Shapiro

Vanity | self

[EliRoom8]

It's very sad to see Ben Shapiro, once a hero to many on this forum, grovel for recognition at MSNBC in order to bad-mouth Trump and Bannon. I guess now he can make common cause with the other recalcitrant there, Bill Kristol.

[TakebackGOP]

You’re missing my point.

[Ted Grant]

Shapiro definitely was grandstanding when it came to Michelle Fields. A particularly mature fifteen year old could have told him that Michelle wouldn’t let him sniff her panties on her worst day, but guys like Ben don’t get it and it will be too late by the time they do get it.

I think he is a young, ambitious guy and figured his gimmick would be a lucrative meal ticket for him that will carry him for the rest of his life. I think the same of folks like Ted Cruz and Dana Loesch. Basically people who got on the post-Reagan “Conservative” bandwagon after the peak, and they’re mistaking the Bush-Dole-Bush-McCain-Romney brand of the product as the standard just as it became clear that this model is outdated.

A healthy portion of Republicans have no patience for it anymore. They join democrats and independents, who tired of this even sooner.

So they’re angry at the people who aren’t buying their product anymore. No self reflection. No intellectual inventory. They’re attached to their meal ticket and it got knocked out from under them, and they don’t know what to do.

The sooner this brand of “conservative” Republican is retired, the better. The GOP has won the popular vote in presidential elections only once since 1988, and it needed to be on the back-end of a terrorist attack to manage that.

Maybe the demographics have changed so much that we won’t see something resembling a coherent conservative approach in our lifetimes.

I tend to think we should take whatever we can get because it’s going to be a lean century for deeply principled conservatives.

[HangUpNow]

If I did miss your point, I apologize.

In that case can you clarify?

[minnesota_bound]

This is Ben Shapiro nipping at the heels of America.

[ek_hornbeck]

I never understood the sense of betrayal people feel towards Shapiro and Kristol, when they're just saying and doing what they've been saying all along, just with a different target. It should have been cleara from the get-go that their brand of politically correct, internationalist "conservatism" has always just been a watered down brand of liberalism.

They may want lower taxes and be less pro-abortion or pro-homosexual than Hillary Clinton, but Hillary Clinton speaks their language on immigration (open borders), trade (outsourcing), and foreign policy (nation-building), and these are the issues that really drive them. They're Hillary's polite and loyal opposition. In contrast, they see any hint of opposition to internationalism and multiculturalism as their enemies, and above all else, they resent grassroots politics where voters rather than party hacks pick candidates. It isn't Trump they hate, it's Trump voters.

[minnesota_bound]

#30 There is always YELP.

[TakebackGOP]

Ben shouldn’t be going on the liberal media to attack Trump.

[HangUpNow]

No, he shouldn't. Shapiro's rep is taking a huge hit.

Now that he's alienated his former audience, Shapiro (like Michelle Fields and Megyn Kelly) needs to feed their egos and relevancy somehow. CNN and MSNBC are always ready to oblige propaganda.

[RedWulf]

>About 5 years ago Andrew Breitbart and I began conversations about my speaking to the secret Hollywood group Friends of Abe. Andrew hired a dinner for me and several members at a nice steak place. Nick Searcy, Adam Baldwin, Ann and Colin, the producers of “Fracknation” and Shapiro were all there (plus others who haven’t come out yet). Even then, as one person at the dinner told me, Benji was a “social justice warrior.”

>Fast forward to TrumpTime: I was told by people who know at Breitbart that Benji is strongly money driven, do I suspect a heavy dose of posturing for pay is involved. But his crap got him canned as a speaker from a big college conservative group. He is married so I think the Fields stuff had less to do with romance and more to do with finance and the job opportunities that he thought would come with being anti-Trump.

Very interesting. Voxday who worked with Benji for a while said that he’s pretty much money driven as well.

[ek_hornbeck]

Even then, as one person at the dinner told me, Benji was a “social justice warrior.”

Most of the NeverTrumpers have liberal instincts and reflexes when it comes to the national question, i.e. anything to do with immigration, culture, and race relations. In that sense they're all Social Justice Warriors.

That's why they're so polite and milquetoast when criticizing Obama or Hillary (with whom they might disagree with on particulars while sharing the big picture) and so rabid when attacking Trump supporters.

[RedWulf]

>Most of the NeverTrumpers have liberal instincts and reflexes when it comes to the national question, i.e. anything to do with immigration, culture, and race relations. In that sense they’re all Social Justice Warriors.

>That’s why they’re so polite and milquetoast when criticizing Obama or Hillary (with whom they might disagree with on particulars while sharing the big picture) and so rabid when attacking Trump supporters.

Interesting. That tracks pretty with the ones I’ve chatted with. They blabber on about the Constitution but then they’re fine with open borders and ignoring the laws on the books about sending illegals home.

[M. Thatcher]

Shapiro had known him a long time

Shapiro was FIRED by him. The fact that Shapiro is a disgruntled terminated employee badmouthing his ex-boss is sort of a crucial detail, no?

[kanawa]

Seems to me that his dislike for Donald Trump is treated on FR as akin to blasphemy these days, and so everyone has to make a big show of tearing his robes to show his outrage.

Seems to me you're insulting everyone on FR.

[Pelham]

Well said. Very well said.