Talking to you is exactly like talking to a brick wall. Movies are wonderful escapist entertainment - until they cross over into churlish Lefty propaganda. In every one of the movies you cited, those of us who were the few with the guts to fight were shown as either psychotic criminals or costumed nitwits. That wasn’t done to WW II vets, or Korean War vets, or even now for the current wars. Just us - and we deeply resent it.
Hollywood hasn’t got the talent to make a realistic war movie. The best they can come up with for a military consultant is the ubiquitous Dale Dye whose only claim to fame was being a Public Affairs NCO while he was in the Marines. He never saw combat.
If you think that painting an insulting portrait of us Vietnam veterans is “just artistic expression”, then you’re a fool. You weren’t at the wrong end of it.
I didn’t find it insulting. I did not come away with a negative view of Vietnam Vets after seeing those two films.
I’ve never seen these movies as insulting to the soldiers in Viet Nam. They’re very insulting to American politicians and military commanders who deliberately wasted American lives in a war they lacked the will to win. The most they ever really say about the soldiers is that if you’re stuck in an insane situation (like fighting a war your country doesn’t actually want to win) long enough you go insane yourself. Which given the PTSD rates we got out of Viet Nam isn’t far from reality.