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Has Britain avoided a ‘European superstate’? It means members give up armies and economic power.
The Daily Mail ^ | 6/27/2016 | JOSEPH CURTIS

Posted on 06/27/2016 5:22:43 PM PDT by Beave Meister

Plans for 'a closer European Union' have been branded an attempt to create a 'European superstate'.

Germany's foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his French counterpart Jean-Marc Ayrault today presented a proposal for closer EU integration based on three key areas - internal and external security, the migrant crisis, and economic cooperation.

But the plans have been described as an 'ultimatum' in Poland, with claims it would mean countries transfer their armies, economic systems and border controls to the EU.

Zaoralek added that the four eastern members had reservations about the proposed common security policy.

Eastern members have become increasingly jittery on security issues since Moscow used so-called "hybrid warfare", or undeclared covert tactics - to annex the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in 2014.

Poland's public TVP described the Franco-German proposal as an "ultimatum" designed to create a European "superstate dominated by large nations."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; brexit; brexitwins; britain; communism; communist; england; eu; europeanunion; eusuperstate; fascist; france; germany; italy; liberals; merkel; nazis; poland; socialist; socialsim; superstate; ukraine
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The socialist and communist liberals are trying to turn Europe into one gigantic post office. Poland shouldn't even consider this nonsense.
1 posted on 06/27/2016 5:22:43 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

The Fourth Reich.


2 posted on 06/27/2016 5:24:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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3 posted on 06/27/2016 5:25:28 PM PDT by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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Germany is trying to claim the power vacume and bully the other nations.


4 posted on 06/27/2016 5:28:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Beave Meister

This was probably the plan from the beginning. The powers behind BREXIT probably knew this was in the offing but couldn’t say anything.

I hope Poland, and some of the other countries beaten up by Nazi Germany have a fair chance for EUEXIT. If every country isn’t offered a referendum for EUEXIT we will know it is a new Nazi Fascist state.


5 posted on 06/27/2016 5:30:52 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Beave Meister

If the Brits want to really twist the knife, they will back down their socialism...but that has not happened yet.


6 posted on 06/27/2016 5:32:12 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Beave Meister

They have to Boot Merkel not give her Europe


7 posted on 06/27/2016 5:32:39 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

This was probably the plan from the beginning. The powers behind BREXIT probably knew this was in the offing but couldn’t say anything.

I hope Poland, and some of the other countries beaten up by Nazi Germany have a fair chance for EUEXIT. If every country isn’t offered a referendum for EUEXIT we will know it is a new Nazi Fascist state.


Poland isn’t giving up their army and then be sitting between an allied Germany and Russia. They’ve seen that movie before. It has a bad ending.


8 posted on 06/27/2016 5:33:58 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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This is really dumb. Germany couldn’t devise a more effective plan to push more countries out.


9 posted on 06/27/2016 5:34:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Um, so what happens to NATO?


10 posted on 06/27/2016 5:36:35 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: colorado tanker

Deutchland dosen’t want to leave der Vaterland?


11 posted on 06/27/2016 5:36:36 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: GraceG

Salsipuedes....


12 posted on 06/27/2016 5:36:40 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: Beave Meister

Unbelievable. Last year, Germany went to NATO maneuvers with broomsticks instead of guns. Who are they kidding?


13 posted on 06/27/2016 5:36:44 PM PDT by cassiusking
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To: colorado tanker

Merkel is a bully. Her foreign minister is a raging pinko. She thinks she can use Germany’s economic muscle to force what they want.


14 posted on 06/27/2016 5:37:16 PM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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I guess this would make it a trilogy.

Germany Part I
Russia Part II
European Union Part III


15 posted on 06/27/2016 5:37:32 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: BenLurkin

This makes sense. Let the super state invade the independent England and get the whole enchilada. Actually, I love the idea of pushing for a super state. Once they move forward with the plan many other EU countries will head for the “exit”. If the EU succeeds then it will be Germany and France as welfare sugar daddies for the likes of Portugal and Greece. The producers left in the super state (Eurostan?) Will migrate to the UK. Statists never learn.


16 posted on 06/27/2016 5:37:46 PM PDT by brewer1516 (And my head I'd be a scratchin' While my thoughts are busy hatchin' If I only had a brain. -- Arlen)
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To: ameribbean expat

That is a good question. NATO is apparently largely based on The Continent. Should the US back off from NATO bases, how woukd the local economies grow?


17 posted on 06/27/2016 5:38:52 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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To: colorado tanker

They don’t have a currency.

Only the UK was smart enough to test the water AND keep their currency.


18 posted on 06/27/2016 5:39:40 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: colorado tanker
This is really dumb. Germany couldn’t devise a more effective plan to push more countries out.

I was thinking much the same thing. It's one thing to practice coercion through carrot and stick diplomacy. It's quite another to take prospective allies and tell them that their choice is either a difficult, vindictive time on exit, or subjugation within the EU.

One thing I might differ on--I used to think the French were driving the EU boat, trying in French fashion (remember the pre-WW I alliances) to bind Germany more tightly to Europe. Maybe it's the Germans now. Economically, yes. But diplomatically? I don't know, except for Merkel's crazed immigrant-push.

19 posted on 06/27/2016 5:40:09 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Um, so what happens to NATO?

I guess that depends on the US Presidential Election.

20 posted on 06/27/2016 5:40:13 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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