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To: bramps
I have to be honest with you. I was disappointed to read this from you. James Dobson said he knows who led Trump to Christ and that Trump is now a Christian. Dobson knows what a Christian is. Should have ended this discussion before it even started. I really saw no point in your comment.

Despite my esteem of Dobson, the man is wrong if he presumes leading someone to say a sinner's prayer necessarily means such was converted, as that simply is not Scriptural. As shown, it is the kind of faith that confesses the Lord Jesus in word and deed that saves, and by which we can know one is a believer. And certainly one who has experienced the most profound change in heart and life would want to tell others about it.

Therefore my statement stands, that if Trump does not want to confess his conversion then it did not happen. Esp. in the light of his outspoken nature. If you want to contend that Scripture teaches that one who does not want to confess the Lord Jesus is a true believer, then do so, and face all the texts which are contrary to such silent witness. The NT church could have saved itself a lot of suffering if they obeyed the religious leaders, and did not "speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus" as commanded. (Acts 4:19)

210 posted on 06/27/2016 7:06:53 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

The point is that obviously Trump HAS ALREADY (pardon my faith here, but I will trust Dobson on this) confessed to men of his faith in Christ. Nothing more , nothing less. You have created an issue where there isn’t one.

Sounds like you want him, and if him, then all Christians, to come to your house and confess it to you before you accept his faith in Christ. And how often should he be confessing it to satisfy you? Does he need to buy television airtime during primetime and make his confession? How many nights?

And your comment to me that, “If you want to contend that Scripture teaches that one who does not want to confess the Lord Jesus is a true believer”, had no basis on which to be made and was out of line.

Please remove me from your ping list.


215 posted on 06/28/2016 6:41:20 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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