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Big pharma fux over the world's children and society once more. And how many of our mass school shootings were committed by teens taking anti-depressants?...Columbine, etc.

Pharma cherry picks their self-funded clinical trial efficacy and safety data that's reported to the FDA. What could go wrong with that?

1 posted on 06/13/2016 8:07:57 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009
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The majority of antidepressants do not work on children and teenagers and prescribing them could do more harm than good, a major study in The Lancet has warned.

A review of clinical trial evidence found that of 14 antidepressant drugs only one, fluoxetine - marketed as Prozac - was better than placebo at relieving the symptoms of young people with major depression.

Another drug, venlafaxine, was associated with an increased risk of suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts.

Although fluoxetine is the only drug currently recommended for youngsters by the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), clinicians have previously warned that they are still being prescribed.


2 posted on 06/13/2016 8:09:05 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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Suicide & Antidepressants

"Patients who take selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac (fluoxetine), Paxil (paroxetine) or Zoloft (sertraline) may experience side effects such as violent behavior, mania or aggression, which can all lead to suicide.?

3 posted on 06/13/2016 8:13:03 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Had they given labels back in the 1960s and 1970s when I was young, I would have gotten a few myself (other than “just plain weird”). And they would have doped me up on all sorts of pharmaceutical chemicals. While I didn’t enjoy my childhood all that much, I’m grateful I didn’t get the chemical lobotomy.

Americans have been to willing to believe the lie that the solutions to all their problems are found in a plastic orange bottle with a white cap. And that they don’t need to critically examine their lives and make some tough choices.


4 posted on 06/13/2016 8:13:30 AM PDT by henkster (Don't listen to what people say, watch what they do.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

All drugs have adverse side effects and no one I know is forced to take them. I know a bit about drug development and it bears no resemblance to what you state. Drugs have actually saved millions of lives and prolonged millions more.


5 posted on 06/13/2016 8:13:48 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarme)
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Gee FDA, you mean giving powerful psychotropic drugs to young still developing brains could actually be more destructive in the long run?

So maybe having government forcing parent to put kid on Ritalin or else, might have been a bad idea, teachers union?

I have been harping on this and taking flack for years, and every time there is som “Adam Lanza” type loosing it, notice that last this ever looked t is ; What freaking drugs were they giving him and for how long?


7 posted on 06/13/2016 8:19:23 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot (God Bless Notre Dame)
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Actually, the irony is that anti-depressants did their job in several of these mass-murder cases. It was just a job they were unwisely assigned to do!

Anti-depressants help make people to lack willpower and gumption feel confident, motivated and capable. That’s normally a good thing. The problem is when that is given to a teenage who has been stewing in dreams of murder and revenge, stymied only by insecurity; vague and suppressed instincts against such violence; and isolation.


10 posted on 06/13/2016 8:38:34 AM PDT by dangus
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First it started with prozac and ritalin. This drug cocktail ruined two whole generations of boys. Add to that a steady diet of soy products, and the ongoing quest of the radical feminists to effectively neuter young boys, and you get the current crop of young men that you have today: a bunch of momma’s boys who want to have nothing to do with women, and would rather play video games and live under momma’s wing for as long as possible.

Thirty years ago, I couldn’t wait to strike out on my own. Get your driver’s license, find a cheap car, hit the road, and discover freedom and the places it would take you.

Now, most boys absolutely refuse to get a driver’s license, refuse to leave the nest, and momma would divorce dad in a heartbeat and suffer rather than let their boys become men.


11 posted on 06/13/2016 8:40:29 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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Anyone who really thinks that a chemical can halt depression is in dire need of psychotherapy and an education.
Depression is not caused by a chemical coursing through one’s blood vessels. Putting another chemical into one’s system does not reverse depression. It sends a chemical through one’s blood vessels that tells the body that it is not depressed, while in reality it is.
The individual remains depressed, while exhibiting external signs of happiness.
Obviously that is an abnormal situation, and leads to serious problems.


12 posted on 06/13/2016 8:41:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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Almost all mind altering drugs, legal and illegal, have one thing in common: The user will need more and more of the stuff just to feel normal.
Using them on young people should be severely restricted and time limited.

15 posted on 06/13/2016 8:41:34 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Dr. David Healy’s research on SSRI use and violence.
http://rxisk.org/tools/guides/
And ssristories.org

Dozens of mass shootings have been committed by young adults using anti-depressants.
Suicide and violence are stated as side effects by the drug manufacturers.


18 posted on 06/13/2016 8:56:56 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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The whole thing is nuts from word go. Giving children speed is going to help their brains? They are giving kids ECT, too. How is damaging the brain going to help? What kind of suckers ever bought into that? They have no idea what the brain chemicals are or what the right proportions are and have no way to test what the drugs are doing to the brain without killing the patient and doing an autopsy.

But numbers like 90% of shootings are a pretty strong clue as to what is causing the unpswing in senseless workplace, and school shootings as well as these nutzoid cases of parents killing their own children. I’ll bet the numbers are 90% there too.


19 posted on 06/13/2016 8:58:35 AM PDT by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost, like tears in rain.)
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Antidepressants are not a long term solution. Unfortunately people think the brain is just a chemical soup and that ones it’s “just right” then the issue goes away.

But they’re easier to do than talk therapy, doctors only need 15 minutes for a med check versus an hour therapy session. There’s a lot of factors involved, and Pharma is only one actor.


20 posted on 06/13/2016 9:03:05 AM PDT by Shadow44
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The only effective antidepressant is Sunshine and/or Vitamin D. I have watched D-3 supplements straighten out three different friends and relatives. One of them continues to take the supplement all year. Two take it only in winter when the sun is at a bad angle and they cover up against cold. They have had no episodes of the up down cycles they used to experience and no depression at all. A fourth had been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder and has quit all the medications which had zombified her and has had no recurrences in over a year.


21 posted on 06/13/2016 9:05:56 AM PDT by arthurus
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If only somebody’d had the sense to give the Columbine lads some magic mushrooms...

“A hallucinogenic chemical found in magic mushrooms has successfully lifted severe depression in previously untreatable patients.

“Scientists at Imperial College London induced intense psychedelic trips in 12 people using high doses of the banned substance psilocybin.

“A week after the experience all the volunteers were depression-free, and three months later five still had no symptoms of the condition.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/17/magic-mushrooms-lifts-severe-depression-in-trial/


23 posted on 06/13/2016 9:19:28 AM PDT by Colinsky
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Dr. Charles Gant SSRI violence connection:

School Shootings and Psychiatric Drugs Update | Dr Charles Gant

http://cegant.com/commentary/school-shootings-and-psychiatric-drugs-update

School Violence

The following are reports of teens committing acts of school violence during an 18 year period from 1988-2006 (footnote 6), beginning only one year after the first SSRI antidepressant was approved for the U.S. market for adult use only. More than half of the teens committing these acts were taking SSRI antidepressants.

1988
1. September 26, 1988, South Carolina: James Wilson, 19, went on a shooting spree in an elementary schoolyard in Greenwood, killing two 8 year olds, and wounding 7 other children and 2 teachers. He was taking Xanax and for the eight months prior to the shooting had been taking several psychiatric drugs.

1997
2. October 1, 1997, Pearl, Mississippi: Luke Woodham, 16, shot two students to death and wounded seven others after beating and stabbing his mother to death. Public reports say the boy was taking Prozac.
3. December 1, 1997, West Paducah, Kentucky: 14-year-old Michael Carneal was on Ritalin, when he started firing a gun during a prayer meeting at a high school, killing three teens aged 14 to 17, and wounding five other students, including one who is paralyzed.

1998
4. March 1998, Arkansas: Andrew Golden, 11, and cousin Mitchell Johnson, 13, went on a shooting spree at Westside Middle School in Arkansas, killing four students and one teacher. Nine students and a teacher were also wounded. In a review of the book Teenage Rampage: The Worldwide Youth Phenomenon, both boys were reported to be taking Ritalin.
5. May 21, 1998, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been taking Prozac and an amphetamine.
6. Pocatello, Idaho: An unnamed 14 year old held 5 classmates hostage with a gun. He surrendered to the police and fortunately no one was hurt. He was taking Zoloft.

1999
7. April 16, 1999, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
8. April 29, 1999, Taber, Alberta: An unnamed 14-year-old student from W.R. Myers High School shot two students, killing one. He began taking prescribed Dexedrine immediately prior to the shooting.
9. April 20, 1999, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris, the ringleader in the Columbine massacre was taking Luvox that the coroner confirmed was in his system through toxicology reports. He and his co-shooter, Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 others before killing themselves.
10. May 20, 1999, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
11. December 6, 1999, Fort Gibson, Oklahoma: 13-year-old Seth Trickey fired at least 15 shots at Fort Gibson Middle School wounding four classmates. He was undergoing psychological counseling and was probably being medicated, although those records are sealed.

2000
12. March 7, 2000, Williamsport, Pennsylvania: Elizabeth Bush, 14, was taking Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.

2001
13. January 10, 2001, Oxnard, California: A 17-year-old gunman fired shots at Hueneme High School before taking a female student hostage. He was later shot and killed by police. Prior to the shooting he had been treated for mental illness and was probably taking psychiatric drugs.
14. March 22, 2001, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been prescribed the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor.
15. April 2001, Washington State: 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and took 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. According to another student, “Cory was yelling and then he just stopped, looked down at the gun in his hand and woke up.” Fortunately, no one was hurt. Cory had been taking Effexor and had no memory of the incident.

2003
16. January 2003, Elliot City, Maryland: Ryan T. Furlough, 19, killed a Centennial High School classmate by spiking his soda with cyanide. He was being treated with Effexor.

2004
17. February 2004, Greenbush, New York: 16-year-old, Jon Romano strolled into Columbia high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. The boy was treated with medication for depression.

2005
18. March, 2005, Minnesota: Jeff Weise, 16, shot dead his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 8 students and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself. He was taking Prozac.
19. November 8, 2005, Jacksboro, Tennessee: Kenneth Bartley, a student in high school shot and killed an assistant principal. The principal and another assistant principal were wounded. He had previously spent about a year and a half in a residential juvenile treatment program, where he was likely prescribed psychiatric drugs.

2006
20. August 30, 2006, Hillsborough, North Carolina: Alvaro Castillo, 19, killed his father, then opened fire at Orange High School, wounding two students before surrendering to police. He had been involuntarily treated in a state psychiatric hospital, and such commitment nearly always involves drugs.
21. October 10, 2006, Charleston, South Carolina: Tyrell Glover, 19, took an air rifle to Burke High School where he planned to hold students hostage and be gunned down by police. He had been taking an antidepressant for several years but his mother took him off the drug when she saw the listed side effects in ads. However, Tyrell began taking Prozac again for approximately six months. Whether he was taking a psychiatric drug or withdrawing from it at the time of this hostage/suicide plan is yet to be confirmed.


24 posted on 06/13/2016 9:28:34 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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I had people try to get me on that stuff back during the “Prozac Nation” days of the late 90s.

No thanks. My woodshop and a drink st the end of the day worked far better.


28 posted on 06/13/2016 9:51:55 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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antidepressants contribute to global warming!


29 posted on 06/13/2016 9:58:45 AM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

For the depressed-— there is a time release 5HTP at 200mg
https://www.swansonvitamins.com/natrol-5-htp-time-release-200-mg-30-tabs

Also a bulk (cheaper) quick acting 5HTP that also can also be bought via Amazon to get up to the $49 for fee shipping
http://www.bulksupplements.com/5-htp-griffonia-seed-extract.html

For a real problem I would get both and use as needed.


31 posted on 06/13/2016 10:04:29 AM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

There are some herbs that will do the trick with zero side effects.

Do not give young people SSRIs.

My mother, in her 80s with Alzheimer’s, is on them, because it keeps her happy and not agitated. That is one good use for SSRIs.


34 posted on 06/13/2016 10:09:40 AM PDT by Yaelle (Make America free again)
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