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Professor Frenkel: Why Shouldn't We Drop Algebra From Our Education System?
Science 2.0 ^ | 4/26/2016 | Alex Alaniz

Posted on 05/01/2016 11:46:48 AM PDT by JimSEA

Mathematician Edward Frenkel was promoting his New York Times bestseller “Love and Math.”

Social scientist Andrew Hacker, on the other hand, caught my attention immediately after the New York Times published his article arguing for the elimination of algebra from our education system. We don’t need it anymore, he claimed,. It does us far more bad than good.

Hacker is a hit now. His anti-math book, “The Math Myth: And Other STEM Delusions” is holding its own against “Love and Math,” despite Frenkel’s book being translated into more than a dozen languages and Frenkel’s indefatigable popularization of the power, passion, and beauty of math.

Is Hacker a doublethinking Orwellian demonizer, or does have a point?

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One of the biggest problems for math is that very few us get shown the big picture by master mentors when we’re young the way Edward Frenkel was. Demonstrating an innate talent and passion for mathematics early on, Frenkel recounts in his book how world-class mathematician Israel Gelfand took him in. Every Monday night for nearly 50 years on the 14th floor of the Moscow university building Gelfand “would welcome all undergraduates, talented graduate students and brilliant professors… These meetings, which often lasted well into the night, were more like a social event than a traditional seminar, where a speaker would go to a blackboard and talk for an hour. He [Gelfand] would walk the aisles, stop and chat with people, interrupt and ask questions, pull a member of the audience to the blackboard and ask them to repeat what had just been said or to find a mistake in it. His interest was always in the development of the next generation of mathematicians." Not surprisingly, many of Gelfand’s former students and seminar participants are now prominent mathematicians.

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: algebra; education; math
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To: M Kehoe

81 posted on 05/01/2016 1:09:06 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: IronJack
The Left hates math because it is absolute. 2 + 2 cannot equal whatever you want it to, and the equation doesn’t care how you “feel” about the answer. It’s either right or it’s wrong.

Unlike the social sciences, you cannot BS your way through a math test. You can shout at the paper all you want, call it "racist!" and any other names that come to mind. The paper doesn't care.

You either "get it", or you don't. Your answer is either correct, or it isn't. It makes no allowances for how "oppressed" you feel.

82 posted on 05/01/2016 1:09:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: central_va

Disagree. If you are not using an algorithm to create a program, or if that algorithm is not based on firm logical principles, you can be the finest algebraist in the world and never get your program to operate correctly.


83 posted on 05/01/2016 1:09:34 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: JimSEA

My BScEE course in the 60’s was a 5-yr program and we had math classes in all 5 years. I sort of feel sorry for those who quit math in high school. It’s like seeing the preview and never getting to see the movie.


84 posted on 05/01/2016 1:09:51 PM PDT by Scooter100
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To: MUDDOG

Just using different Greek letters for the standard variables in the same equations can drive a student crazy.


85 posted on 05/01/2016 1:10:51 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: central_va

CP is 95% bug killing.


86 posted on 05/01/2016 1:13:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: JimSEA
Is Hacker a doublethinking Orwellian demonizer, or does have a point?

Red diaper baby. And red diaper daddy. Not that it matters. In any case, being on the left in the 30s like Andrew's father was meant something a lot different than being on the left now. Still, Hacker's background may have something to do with his current cause.

87 posted on 05/01/2016 1:14:06 PM PDT by x
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To: Paladin2

As long as it’s not German Fraktur, I’m okay.


88 posted on 05/01/2016 1:14:12 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: mountn man

To quote James Bond: “I’m sure her figures are perfectly rounded...”


89 posted on 05/01/2016 1:16:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: MUDDOG
Then there is Number Theory vs. Number Practice.

(In theory, practice and theory are the same; In practice they aren't.)

90 posted on 05/01/2016 1:16:49 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: JimSEA

If the goal is that 100% of every demographic complete 12th grade without cheating (by the students) or fraud (by the teachers, now very common), then algebra has to go, and many other things as well.


91 posted on 05/01/2016 1:21:10 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Cruz never could have outfought Trump. I never knew, until this day, that it was Romney all along.)
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To: MUDDOG
I don't (didn't) see it but apparently others did

"Beautiful in a 60s, Julie-Christie-esque way, with her shining fall of straight blond hair that gleamed in the spotlights, Mary was sexy as a starlet. "

http://neoneocon.com/2009/09/17/we-will-know-that-she-is-gone-rip-mary-travers/

92 posted on 05/01/2016 1:21:50 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: JimSEA
Professor Frenkel: Why Shouldn't We Drop Algebra From Our Education System?

If the moron needs to ask, no rational response can penetrate the ignorance.

93 posted on 05/01/2016 1:21:55 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Well duh. Two plus two equals twenty two.


94 posted on 05/01/2016 1:22:51 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: IronJack

Physics, chemistry and other sciences require mathematics and right and wrong answers. Not the fields liberals should go into.


95 posted on 05/01/2016 1:22:58 PM PDT by orinoco (Orinoco)
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To: JimSEA
Is Hacker a doublethinking Orwellian demonizer, or does have a point?
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He does have a point. A high enough IQ is needed to understand algebra and that IQ level is likely 110 or 115 or more. That means that algebra is beyond the reach of the majority of Americans, especially black Americans.

Also...For the high school diploma to have any meaning beyond that of a certificate of attendance a certain percentage of students will not have the IQ needed to meet the requirements to graduate. Again, that means disproportionate numbers of blacks should fail to complete high school due the Bell Curve distribution of their IQ

96 posted on 05/01/2016 1:25:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Talisker
"I loved math until I hit calculus."

Same here. As a matter of fact, I felt that I was good enough at math/algebra/trigonometry (etc) that, when I arrived at the Naval Academy, they asked me if I wanted to be in their first class of Calculus with Computers. I was full of enough piss-and-vinegar that I said "Of course".

Total flameout! I don't know whether it was the combination of trying to learn the calculus at the same time as computers (or what passed for computers in 1972) or it was just simply beyond my understanding. Functions did not make sense and "imaginary numbers" made the final drawing stroke across my throat.

I'm still pretty good at math and the like, but my "math ego" certainly took a critical hit from calculus.

97 posted on 05/01/2016 1:28:49 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Once is happenstance. Twice is circumstance. Three times is enemy action.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

At the supermarket near my home the cashiers are only allowed to give you the change that the cash register displays. What you did would upset the entire space-time continuum. Those young dummies can’t reason beyond their “training”. Now if you want people that can think and handle change, truck stop waitresses and cashiers have got it down to a science.


98 posted on 05/01/2016 1:30:26 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: Paladin2

See! You need a hundred page owner’s manual to operate the darn thing.

I hope the First lady doesn’t see this post. She’s FReeping on the living room computer...

5.56mm


99 posted on 05/01/2016 1:31:17 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: EEGator
I have often posted that a minimal requirement to be a government K-12 teacher is to pass with a “C” the **same** Calculus 1 and Chemistry classes that the engineering students, math, and science students are taking.

Do most government teachers need or use calculus or serious Chemistry? No, they don't but it would insure that they are smart enough to be teaching in any classroom and help lessen the phobia now routinely found in the nation's classrooms.

100 posted on 05/01/2016 1:31:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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