[Heartlander]

Explain your response - I show how a Creator was necessary to our founders and you state - "I’ll accept a creative force but that doesn’t require consciousness, will or purpose."

[muir_redwoods]

Okay, you assert that a creator needs consciousness and willful intent to create our universe. Consciousness may be as primitive a feature as respiration to a creative force that can create a universe. The creative force may be totally unlike us in every respect including our notions of will, consciousness or purpose. if that’s unclear, sadly I cannot make it any clearer.