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To: SunkenCiv
I puzzles me that, excluding some bad experiences around An Khe in 1966, why humans would wander out of Africa, even really ancient, ones to settle in such a horrid place thousands of miles from the ancestral home.

I was thinking Moslem Anthopithcanies gone mad with Jihad.

Why would anyone, in their right mind, such as they may have had in that day and age, leave readily available Wildebeest and other readily available warm furry dinners to battle malaria in the highland of VN.

To my mind, such as I have left, am thinking that there is some serious problems with the Idea of human of human migrations. (Thanks Blam and others.)

I am beginning to to think that we haven't a censored clue about human origins or migrations.

19 posted on 04/06/2016 12:08:20 PM PDT by Little Bill (o)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; BenLurkin; TXnMA; blam

Wow, a Sima de los Huesos in Asia, hope this turns out to be as big. Looking at the big rock in front, it does look as if some cores might have been knocked out of it. Regarding the lousy living conditions in current Vietnam, we have no idea what the climate there was like 800k years ago. It could have been cooler, dryer, or some combination depending on where it was in an Ice Age cycle. We would need more precision than a generalized age of 800K.


21 posted on 04/06/2016 10:50:53 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Little Bill

Malaria isn’t confined to Vietnam, and for all we know, it wasn’t even around 800K ago.

Large parts of the continental shelf has been ice-free for much of the past 2 milion years, and it’s not unlikely our ancestors grew up in now-submerged areas. Claiming that Africa *must be* the cradle of humanity is a little like looking around outdoors for the glasses you lost in the dark restaurant, just because the light’s better.


22 posted on 04/07/2016 6:15:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv; TXnMA; blam
Little Bill: "Why would anyone, in their right mind, such as they may have had in that day and age, leave readily available Wildebeest..."

Well... let me ask, do you live in the same home you were born in?
How many miles separate your current home from where you were born?
Now, based on that number of miles, how many generations would it take for your descendants to travel the whole globe?

Right.
It only takes a few miles per generation, and in time, some will reach every corner, barring a great barrier, such as an ocean.

You ask, "why would people want to move?", and the answer is: sometimes it's not a matter of "want" but of "must, no choice, move or die".
Consider any number of examples:

  1. You are a second, third or fourth son in a land only "fat" enough to support the eldest.

  2. A rival clan, much bigger than yours, invades your territory and you must either flee or die.

  3. A drought, a flood, a storm, a forest fire, too hot, too cold, too something else forces whole peoples to leave their ancestral homes and search out greener pastures, so to speak.

  4. Specifically, one theory is that humans (or pre-humans) first left Africa along the coastlines of southern Arabia, India & Asia.
    Living off the bounty of sea-shores, humans simply expanded generation by generation until they reached the far coasts of Vietnam & China.
    Once settled along a shoreline, we go back to items #1-3 above to find reasons for moving inland.

Little Bill: "I am beginning to to think that we haven't a censored clue about human origins or migrations."

No, we have many clues, literal hills filled with clues, but of course they are not conclusive in answering every question imaginable.
Still plenty we don't know.

Migration seems like a good answer to how we find certain clues in one place dated to an ancient time, say Africa a million years ago, then similar clues somewhere else at a later time.
Are there other possible explanations?
Sure, including time travel and teleportation ("beam us up, Scotty"), but so far we've found no evidence of such activities in pre-historic times.

35 posted on 04/08/2016 4:37:26 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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