Ubuntu Linux Is Coming To Windows 10 — Microsoft Partners With Canonical (Ezpected...)

Meh- windows 10 is a massive spyware now-

You bring up a good point! I was speaking of functionality issues, but this is very concerning.

I think Ballmer when he was at MS$ got that HP support of Linux turned around,,,cause they dropped the HP Linux printer package,.

Maybe now it will reappear....but check out your current printer and ,,,I am not awawre if you can find good support, I sure would like to ....

“in as planned later effort to go to a ‘pay per month’ model “

This would be fatal for Microsoft/Windows. I doubt they’d do something *that* stupid. I can certainly see them doing it for Office or any relatively high priced applications they have, but doing this for the OS itself would kill them.

I think Windows might go to a free / low cost model for home and professional users. The spyware is to determine what ads you should be hit with in their eventual completed app store (you’ll be targeted with all sorts of applications/games/movies/music/VR porn/etc).

Again, I’m speculating here, but it seems like they want to make their cash off digital sales and the like since they can make a decent profit off impulse buys (Apple certainly learned this early on with iTunes :-) ).

“like Adobe photoshop did- no thanks”

The subscription model helped Adobe as well as lots of new users. Fewer people pirate it now. It used to be cost prohibitive to lots of amateurs, but now they’re paying to use it here and there for various jobs. A friend of mine benefited from this new Adobe model quite a bit.

If I am not mistaken, you can still get a perpetual license for a complete version ... you can also get an annual subscription that will allow you to download new versions and the like as they are released. The costs are about the same as they were before.

What I don’t like is if your internet connection is dead, you’re eventually blocked from using stuff you paid for in some cases.

It almost seems like I can download Cygwin and do the exact same things they are proposing developers do with this “embedded Ubuntu”.

I tried Win10 through the “Insider Preview” offer, experimenting with it from 12/15 until the public offering in July. got to really dislike it and wiped it off all my computers, replacing it with Ubuntu from then on. Now, doggone, Micro$oft wants to screw that up.

I have Lubuntu and Win 10 on a Laptop and I use Lubuntu 99% of the time

Ubuntu is Debian.

I do wanna stick with windows, and maybe someone will coem up with a way to skirt all the MS spying nonsense, but until then, I only use linux for any online activity, and dual boot to windows for running things like photoshop (i just wait until I’m ready to do photoshop work- usually late at night after begin onlien during the day) and reboot to windows-

They do have programs now to stop some or most of the spying stuff if you want to look into it- - but my concern is that with every automatic windows update, they likely re enable the spyware stuff and the user has to be vigilant and keep running the software to combat the aggressive spyware policy of MS now-

Cortana and IE edge seem to be the biggest spying programs- (neither of which i use in windows 10) But there’;s other stuff like the search function sending results to Ms and apparently no real way of turning this off even when you disable cortana and use regular search feature in windows- I believe-

Meh- just tired of fighting MS and having to constantly be on the offensive to protect against their aggressiveness-

I don’t do much online except visit soem sites like FR- check email- maybe skype to family once in a blue moon (and remove it when not using it lol)- so linux fits the bill for me just fine- others might do heavy stuff online that linux might not meet- but i can’t imagine what it might be-

If someone came up with an effective means of running windows software on linux at full speed, and without the glitches that wine produces, or the freezes of virtual machines— I think a great manym ore people would make the move to linux

Yeah but isn’t it an independent branch or soemthing? I haven’t seen anywhere that debian is being accused of the canonical stuff that ubuntu is-

A number of months ago I switched from Xubuntu to a Debian with XFCE GUI install. I like it very much. And I like the fact that Debian has so many options of how to install it.

I liked Xubuntu, but was not happy that I had to do a hard drive wipe and reinstall to upgrade on my old package. So I just wiped drive and installed Debian instead. I think it was the right decision.

[[This would be fatal for Microsoft/Windows. I doubt they’d do something *that* stupid.]]

I dunno- everyone predicted it would be fatal for Adobe photoshop to do it to- but they did- they weathered the initial outcry against it, and refused to listen to the community backlash- and they have survived- I just htink MS watched that whole CS issue with much interest and might one day follow what Adobe did- perhaps not-

[[It used to be cost prohibitive to lots of amateurs, but now they’re paying to use it here and there for various jobs.]]

The problem is, unless Adobe has changed it, is that if you don’t keep paying the monthly fee- they lock the work you worked on- essentially holding it hostage until you begin paying again- let’s say you work on a photo- maniplate it your liking, and put it into a folder- then you don’t pay next month’s ransom-er i mean subscription fee- From what i understood, yo could no longer go back to that photo and work on it in another program because it became adobe ‘property’ because you used their software- and only their program can now unlock the photo to work on it

Now I don’t know if this is true or not- I did see much talk about it at the time, and decided I was not going to go with a system that would lock you out like that- Nor did i want to be locked into paying every month for something that should be a once time purchase where the software is under our control like previous photoshop versions-

[[If I am not mistaken, you can still get a perpetual license for a complete version ]]

For a recent version? Or earlier one? I hadn’t heard anything like this? I’ll check into it-

[[What I don’t like is if your internet connection is dead, you’re eventually blocked from using stuff you paid for in some cases.]]

That’s another good point- and one of the reasons I didn’t go with it- I’m still using CS5-

I’m not sure, but my older model HP black and white laser printer (something that usually isn’t too popular with folks who usually go for color ink models) worked fine- Of course I can’t install the software that coems with it (unless they have a linux verison somewhere) but it works fien for simple printing- the only thing i might not have is ‘ink levels’ indicators and the like- bu I don’t know, I didn’t check yet lol- i just print stuff without getting into the nitty gritty of print software settings-

When I installed linux, I accidentally left the printer plugged in as linux installed- (usually with printers you have to leave them unplugged and plug them in after so the computer will see it properly)

Anyway, when it got to desktop after the install- I remember the printer- turned it on, and just out of curiosity, tried a test page- to my surprise, it worked fine- I haven’t really pushed it testing it like with a B&W photo or anything- but for document work it’s printing fine- linux picked it up fine and even lists it as the right model- it was all automatic- a box popped up ‘configuring printer’ and in seconds it was listed and working fine

Debian is an Independent collection of code developers....

Canonical is a company set up by a Billionaire ,,,Mark /Shutteford from South Africa which cranks out Ubuntu based on the Debian packages,...and stuff they write independently!!

I don't think Debian has spyware, but that does not say that Ubuntu does not have such code!

I did the same for my wife. I "threatened" her with a Linux switch over from WinXP to Mint when support for XP ended. She was concerned because she didn't know Linux. She was right. She didn't know Linux. I bought a used Dell PC, souped it up and loaded Mint 17.2 and used PlayOnLinux to get all her faves running. Now she loves it.

I think since I use it every day at work for the product I work on, she thought it was a Geek tool with all kinds of CLI stuff. She wouldn't believe me when I told her, "It works just like Windows. A desktop, icons, Firefox...but better."

I still have a WinXP PC for a few things but I haven't booted it up in weeks.

you are a brave man....I would have been scared to try that with my wife!

Seems like a weak reason. You can do already anyway. Why doesn’t MS just add those cmds or equivalent to Powershell?

Or just implement BASH. A lot of folks use Cygwin for that, or at least have in the past. If you could make BASH calls from the cmd.exe, it would go a long way to making windows actually usable. Support for regular expressions is sorely needed.

if I switch to LINUX do my drivers still work? Do I have to spend weeks getting everything to mesh?

Yes.
No.

In fact, I use Linux Mint 17.2 with a HP Photosmart C4180 printer. The driver for that printer...and pretty much any HP...comes native in Linux Mint 17.2.

I have lots of peripherals and none of them required any search for drivers.

Additionally, the Software Manager is 10,000,000,000 times better than anything MS has. You open it, type in a search string or phrase to describe what you are looking for (photo editor, sound editor, etc) and it will return all possibles. You can read reviews, ratings, get screenshots and install it. Don't like it? Right click on the entry for your new program in the Start menu and click uninstall....gone. Sweeeet. No registry with left-behind crap or malware. It's just gone.

That must be something fairly recent in Mint.....Nice!

I ;eft Mint some years ago.

Just up on Phoronix:

Ubuntu's User-Space Ported To Run On Windows 10 By Canonical/Microsoft

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Written by Michael Larabel in Proprietary Software on 30 March 2016 at 01:45 PM EDT. 20 Comments

Canonical and Microsoft have been working on a joint project the past few months of bringing the Ubuntu user-space to Windows 10 as an initiative for helping developers running this OS.

The Ubuntu user-space complete with the Bash shell and common command-line utilities -- even apt-get, Apache, GCC, and other common Ubuntu packages -- all can be deployed on Windows 10 without any use of containers or VMs.

This is basically, Ubuntu user-space packages running natively on Windows 10 by Microsoft coming up with real-time translation of Linux system calls into Windows system calls. It's like the opposite of the Wine project for running Windows apps on Linux -- this is Linux on Windows. Simply typing "bash" on Windows 10 with the necessary support will launch a console window powered by Ubuntu's user-space.

This technology is currently in early beta via the Windows Store and based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. However, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS will be available in time atop Windows 10. More details via this blog post by Canonical's Dustin Kirkland with the information going public this week at Microsoft's BUILD conference.