No amount of logic, no pointing out of obvious truths, no reminding of past positions, will sway them from their support of Trump. There is always an excuse, always a justification, always a reason why Trump's behavior is to be praised while even the allegation of similar behavior on behalf of Cruz is to be condemned.
As they saying goes; you can't reason someone out of a position that they did not arrive at with reason in the first place.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/04/16/donald-trump-donates-to-ted-cruz
When in a democrat controlled state corruption bribes are the cost of doing business. Grow up and stop supporting Hillary.
Remember Limbaugh was all about Bush until Jeb fell.
Then he was all about Rubio until Rubio fell.
Now he is with Cruz.
By the way, did Limbaugh ever apologize to Trump for dedicating a good part of his show defending the liar Micheelle Fields and attacking Trump????
Anyway, “ditto” with you Cruz supporters too.
What major accomplishment does Ted Cruz have in the Senate?
Why is 1st Term Ted Cruz hated by fellow Senators?
How come Ted Cruz will not finish his 1st term in the Senate, and is running for the White House?
Cruz is 100% pure Establishment and it’s why Jeb Bush supports him.
Cruz was for the TPP and TPA before he was against it.
Cruz was for a Pathway to Citizenship before he was against it.
Cruz is still for war in Syria and Ukraine even though neither country is a National Security Threat to the United States.
Cruz is NOW for the NSA POLICE STATE SPYING ON ALL U.S. CITIZENS (in other words we are all guilty until proven innocent) and wants to by pass the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
Cruz worked for the W. Bush White House. Why does he not talk about that?
Cruz’ wife helped get us into Iraq even though Saudi Arabia attacked us on September 11th. Did they find WMDs? Per W. Bush he said no.
Cruz’s wife helped negotiate Trade policy with China where we pay 20,30 and 40% tariffs to China and they pay nothing to us. Our trade agreement his wife helped set up let’s China manipulate their currency too.
Cruz blamed Trump for the terrorist attack in Brussels.
Cruz took the side of George Soros Move On and Black Lives Matter against Trump.
Cruz used Glenn Beck to say conservative Christians were not listening to God if they voted for Trump.
Cruz had his pack personally attack Trump’s family.
Cruz is an Establishment Rat! All he does is follow Trump’s lead on building a wall and the Trade Deals.
Oh and not it looks like Cruz has been lyin’ and cheating on his wife too.
This is the same Canadian who lived the first 4 years of his life in Canada can run for the POTUS.
The nut of what Vinny was saying, in between Rush baiting him, was something that has bothered me with each debate - what turned me off to Cruz (one of the things) is that he twists things exactly as a lawyer would, rephrases truths or partial-truths into a negative connotation. Just like lawyers do to someone on the witness stand for the opposing side, or in a deposition. And the frustrating thing for me is that Trump didn’t pick up on it fast enough or at all to respond in kind - but he knew Ted was twisting things. As a result he just calls him ‘Lyin’ Ted’. Ted’s witness as a Christian really diminished with me each time he has done that.
Similarly with the Iowa/Carson thing and the Melania thing - just enough leeway to say ‘It wasn’t me’ or the guilt-by-association with Trump with Chicago or Brussels/NATO. I knew what Trump meant when referring to NATO - the EU and NATO should hold their own weight - Trump wasn’t saying they’re on their own.
Ahhh, you seem to think that the Trump supporters are illogical, nay buffoons! So for a moment, let’s say that you”re 100% right. That Trump supporters are emotion driven and illogical in the extreme.
That’s a far, far worse dilemma in the long run for the supporters of Jeb Cruz. Because emotional people do really drastic and vindictive things when screwed over. Like going scorched earth on the gop.
Let me explain, “scorched earth” in this sense means that Trump supporters show up en masse on election day and vote against every down ticket republican. Every single one. Because you see it’s not the yahoo at the top of the ticket that is enabling the gop-e. It’s the miserable little toads in senate seats, the house, the legislatures who enable the gop-e.
Now of course acting to lose the presidency and handing over all those down ticket offices to the rats is illogical, counterproductive and downright buffoonish. And it might well destroy the gop. But as so many wise terribly wise Jeb cruz supporters have pointed out, you just can’t logic with those Trumpsters!
Unlike Cruz, I DO NOT support a brokered convention - with the result, of course, being Romney, Jeb, Linda, or Ryan.
But I guess you Cruz junkies support it...
... Trump supporters can (and I’m sure they will) attack the messenger, but they can’t refute the point.
Rush was gentle with him, lol. Unbelievable what some Trump supporters believe.
Imagine this: A president Trump in charge of the IRS, FBI, CIA etc. He will make OBama and Nixon look like the Virgin Mary. Why would anyone in their right minds want him in charge to finish destroying anyone who disagrees with him? Difference is pubbies will help dems impeach and remove him if he gets caught in that and with his record of trying to destroy all who don’t kiss his a$$ it is pretty much guaranteed.
This is probably already in the Hillary campaign ad play book.
The bogus assumption is that because Vinny said feel therefore everyone who supports Trump is not being rational.
It's a cute insult tactic but easily caught by anyone being ... rational.
I respect Rush's opinion for the most part, his ability to reason etc. and he properly shoots down Vinnie,
So what? Vinny has stumbled upon the right conclusion with faulty (actually no real) reasoning. Rush identified it. We're glad to have his vote - good instincts Vinnie!
I think what he's actually reacting to, but doesn't know it, is that Cruz doesn't seem to utter a genuine word on stage. This is probably better identified as 'instinct' rather than feeling that Vinnie is displaying.
But believe what you want ... it's entirely possible that mine and a lot of other people's instincts (and rational thought) are all just messed up. Then again, maybe yours are. Maybe you're just missing something that the rest of us aren't. It's possible.
Cruz strikes me as slightly Aspergers/autism spectrum - very slightly - but you see it in his disconnectedness. Wouldn't surprise me if some of Heidi's problems are related to being married to a man who's entire life occurs in his head, no real connection.
My father was like Cruz in a lot of ways. A very good man, super smart, went to Harvard - all of that on-paper stuff, but that lack of connection was a real problem. Years after they divorced, my mother said "I could just never figure out what I was doing wrong." She wasn't doing anything wrong, she was married to a man who wasn't entirely there, smart as he was (and thought he was.)
Loved my Dad, but as a leader, and in the real world ... he couldn't make anything move ... people or things. Cruz worries me that way. He'll be right, on paper, in rhetoric, about everything, but that doesn't change the direction of thinking of a mob of people (America) to whom he can not connect.
Couple that with Cruz's increasingly close reliance on the Bush E machine ... and ... I just don't think he's going to be able to accomplish anything. No accomplishment is death at this point. (He would have been fine, great even, back in the GH days, but too much has changed.)
So, I've talked a little about connection. It's not all either 'rational' or 'feel' ... there is an instinctual connection that people feel, and without it, nothing great is accomplished. The risk of course is that bad things can be accomplished if those connected are deluded losers like liberals. But I don't sense that from Trump supporters. Many of us do a bit of a double take that we support him.
Who will go to bat for America - without a risk that they may throw the game for money or fame, and if they do go to bat, who can actually hit?
I don't see Cruz hitting, and I suspect he may think he's so smart that he'll make a deal with the Establishment thinking he can deliver to both sides. He's intellectually arrogant, hasn't fully grown up, and has zero humility, though he fakes it on stage a lot. Those without it fake it well - they don't even know they are faking it, because you can't learn it from a book, or through a cogent rational deductive or inductive argument. You have to have been there. Cruz ... does ... not ... have ... it.
Trump has failed in big big big ways, and come back.
Am I throwing too much feeling at you? Did you ever succeed at something that required something more than your book knowledge of how to accomplish it? Cruz DOESN'T have that thing. Trump does.
I don't. He has a LONG record of supporting their candidates and causes.
I’m from New York and I agree with Cruz about New York values.
No, he hasn't. He changed his party registration SIX times, he's given lots of money to liberal Democrats, he said a few years ago that he identified more as a Democrat, that the Republicans are just too extreme (and dumb, BTW -- that he could fool them), that he supported the stimulus. He praised 0bama, Hillary, DeBlasio, and others. He has endorsed the individual mandate and touchback amnesty.
Conservative? It doesn't look that way to me.
Trump donated to both parties, more to so-called Republicans, incl Cruz. WHY, he never seems to say this, I cannot say. In business, it is basically a part of networking. I dare say all big businesses do this. Is this good enough “logic” for you? But, hey, way to win over Trump supporters with your Mittens/Cruz elitist comments.
“As they saying goes; you can’t reason someone out of a position that they did not arrive at with reason in the first place.”
Just thought that need repeating.
Trump making deals with the democrats advancing the democrat agenda, the very same agenda that created the problems in the first place, is somehow supposed to solve the problem.
Don’t ask me I have no explanation for it.
The caller brought up a good point. I went to a political donation tracking site (shared by a DT supporter) and I actually searched for every donation DT ever made. He gave many only 1 grand a piece.
I was wondering how he “bought” a politician for only $1k? Then I wondered, what about perks? Stay here for nothing, play golf there for nothing, gamble, and whatever else they do in his venues. Just saying.
Now, DT’s testimony against the Reagan economic plan included verbage that “credit limits” were hurting the real estate business and if it was lifted it would be great, really great for the economy. He did give $1k to Chris Dodd, but did he make any money in the real estate bubble?
Link to donation site:
http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/Default.aspx
Congressional testimony (watch him act humble):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw