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Army Chief Eyeing Glock Pistol as Service's Next Sidearm
Military.com ^ | March 21, 2016 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 03/22/2016 9:38:59 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: The KG9 Kid

There is another pistol i have a desire to own, one that uses the 5.7, 20 round mags. Will be doing research on it, the same pistol that was used in a “workplace incident” at a military base, morbidly it worked i’m afraid to say.

The FNseven i think it was.


101 posted on 03/22/2016 11:14:05 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (You don't have to like Trump, his enemies certainly don't.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The round did not stop hopped up Moros.

Nope, sure didn't. 9mm and 45 ACP stomp it. Compare:

38 S&W 200 gr (13 g) LRN 620 ft/s (190 m/s) 176 ft·lbf (239 J)

38 Special 200 gr (13 g) LRN 679 ft/s (207 m/s) 204 ft·lbf (277 J)

9mm Parabellum +P+ 7.45 g (115 gr) JHP 426 m/s (1,400 ft/s) 678 J (500 ft·lbf)

45 ACP 200 gr (13 g) Speer Gold Dot JHP +P 1,080 ft/s (330 m/s) 518 ft·lbf (702 J)

102 posted on 03/22/2016 11:14:16 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: Forty-Niner

Pretty soon Americans will be using Euro-crap also


103 posted on 03/22/2016 11:14:28 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Gamecock
Not so sure the lack of a real safety is a real good idea.

Training and good holsters make all the difference.

104 posted on 03/22/2016 11:14:59 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

FN Five-Seven. Neat round. I’ve shot the PS90 rifle in that round.


105 posted on 03/22/2016 11:15:42 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Tankers, crew-served weapon operators, Medics, MPs, etc.

Not just officers.


106 posted on 03/22/2016 11:17:17 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: backwoods-engineer
Dude, you practice 5 days a week?

The joys of retirement: time and money. [I have another demand on my time, which I don't mention online, but it's nowhere near the 60 hours a week I used to work even outside peak election seasons.] It is very nice! I'm actually rather good with my revolvers, with my Glock, and with various rifles. I still stink at shotgun though.

107 posted on 03/22/2016 11:17:34 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("A Bill of Rights that means what the majority wants it to meand over an is worthless." - Scalia)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Pretty soon America will start making better guns, more ammo, less restrictions. Even that sci fi stuff is becoming reality.

I bet as soon ad Trump gets elected .22lr will be cheap and available. Must be YUGE warehouses of it hidden somewhere, Obama warehouses.


108 posted on 03/22/2016 11:18:24 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (You don't have to like Trump, his enemies certainly don't.)
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To: Gamecock

Glocks have safeties in their triggers.
There are plenty of idiots who carry unholstered glocks though.

No amount of training can help them.


109 posted on 03/22/2016 11:19:07 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: backwoods-engineer

Last i heard the steel core 5.7 rounds were banned, because they went right through most early versions ballistic armor.


110 posted on 03/22/2016 11:21:14 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (You don't have to like Trump, his enemies certainly don't.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I am well aware of that, and it is easier said than done.

Problem is there are limits to how much training Soldiers get on side arms. From 2007-2010 I was in a field unit that hit the pistol range twice a year. That’s it. Because of my rank I was able to go 4 times. Not nearly enough to keep Snuffy proficient on a pistol without a real safety.

There are other training requirements, as well as a budgetary limit on the amount of rounds you can buy.


111 posted on 03/22/2016 11:21:17 AM PDT by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: Vinnie
"A manual safety is a 'must' on a service sidearm."

I expect the US Army will demand a manual safety. Glock does have the capability to offer custom models with a manual safety to government agencies who insist upon it. It's a modification of the G18 machine pistol which doesn't share commonality in the frame and slide with the familiar G17 pistol. The geometry is completely different even though they appear the same when looking at them from arm's length.

My personal opinion is that if the military is restricted to using FMJ ball ammo, they should choose a cartridge with a projectile using the largest diameter and bullet weight. If that fails to meet their needs, then they should look at the smaller caliber high-speed armor piercing rounds like the FN 5.7 or Hk 4.6mm -- the former rather than the latter.

112 posted on 03/22/2016 11:22:14 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: miliantnutcase

Also the main reason the M1911 in .45 ACP was adopted. Troops should have a choice.


113 posted on 03/22/2016 11:22:23 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackoLivesMatter)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Make a good battle pistol? I’m kinda wondering. Lots of very fast small almost rifle like bullets sounds appealing. Especially if the enemy has armor.


114 posted on 03/22/2016 11:24:15 AM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (You don't have to like Trump, his enemies certainly don't.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

The St. Paul Police Department specified 1st gen Glock .40s and every one of them had to be “tuned” like mine was. While I had my pistol in at the gun shop, I had Trijicon sights put on.
No trouble since...


115 posted on 03/22/2016 11:35:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Interesting. I resisted the .40 for years. Finally bought a SIG P229 couple of years ago. It’s absolutely reliable out of the box. Guess they got the kinks worked out.


116 posted on 03/22/2016 11:38:14 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: NorthMountain

I have the P 238 in .380.
Beautifully made piece...


117 posted on 03/22/2016 11:41:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

My Colt Mustang is also like a small 1911 380. Also no grip safety. I load mine with my own 95 gr reloads. W-231 powder. I forget who makes the bullets.


118 posted on 03/22/2016 11:43:34 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Daniel Ramsey
I have one, an 'IOM' model but the latest 'Mark 2' model is much improved.

They're *very* loud and will irritate other shooters at an indoor range because it's about as loud an an unsuppressed 5.56 short barreled rifle. Ammo isn't cheap and if you can find it there's usually only a few boxes on the shelf.

You can directly engage targets out to 100 yards since it shoots very flat. It easily outshoots the standard sights on the pistol and anyone wanting a FiveSeveN should honestly think about mounting a mini red dot reflex sight, which I have not done.

The recoil is very slight but the concussion and muzzle flash is an experience. Shooting indoors it will make your nose run. On the other hand, it will clear your sinuses if you're stuffy. Remember that I mentioned above that the gun is stupidly loud. There are folks who've suppressed theirs and I've read that the results are "It does something to help" but makes the gun very nose-heavy.

If there's anything negative about the FiveSeveN it'll be that upon disassembly it'll seem more like an Airsoft gun. Showing folks the exposed barrel usually makes them think it's a toy. Seems very much like a plastic Japanese model.

Really neat and thoroughly capable gun but there's several reasons why it's not more popular with government purchasers. Makes a huge spectacle of itself but using civilian rounds its really just an amusing range gun. I am sure that it would be an entirely suitable CCW option even using the civilianized ammunition, but I don't often carry it.

119 posted on 03/22/2016 11:43:43 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Vaquero

I’ve met and chatted with the Gunney. Very entertaining. He gave me one of his Glock challenge coins.


120 posted on 03/22/2016 11:44:30 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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