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IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES
Setting Record Straight blog ^ | March 17, 2016 | Ronald Dwyer

Posted on 03/18/2016 4:43:22 AM PDT by high info voter

They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Some were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But are we talking about African slavery? King James VI and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James VI sold 30,000 Irish .........

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TOPICS: Education; History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: african; catholic; irish; slaves
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To: miss marmelstein

In Boston, bad mouth the IRA in certain circles and a surprising amount of venom might be coming your way. Sad, really.


21 posted on 03/18/2016 5:39:27 AM PDT by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: high info voter
Side note: The movie that made Errol Flynn a star in 1935, Captain Blood was based on the story of an Irish doctor who was convicted of treason against the king and sent to the West Indies as a slave since that was more profitable than hanging him and the other rebels (Monmouth Rebellion). In that case the slaves would have been Protestants rebelling against James II. Maybe the writer of this article got his Jimmies mixed up or he meant James VI of Scotland, James I of England, who did indeed enslave Catholic Irish.

Slavery has been an institution in human history for as long as there's been history. The African trade pales (sorry for the pun) in comparison to the numbers of European captives taken by the other Europeans and Muslims over the last two thousand years. No race has a monopoly on ancestral oppression, but only one turns that into votes for the political party that kept their ancestors in chains in the first place.

22 posted on 03/18/2016 5:40:56 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: cowboyway
The New Canal in New Orleans had to be dug though a disease infested swamp. Black slaves, who represented their owners capital, were too valuable to risk. Instead, the Irish were employed, and died by the tens of thousands for a pittance. Bit of doggerel from that time survives: "Ten thousand Micks/They swung their picks/ To dig the New Canal/ But the Coleray was stronger than they/ And twice it killed them all."
23 posted on 03/18/2016 5:41:16 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: high info voter
It has always been an error that the first slaves were solely blacks from Africa. Slavery in North America respected no skin color or ethnic group. Male or female, you'd be dumped in the New World to be someone’s indentured servant (slave). However, in most cases, you could work and eventually purchase your freedom. This happened to Anthony Johnson, an ex-Angolan black who came to Virginia colony in 1621 as an indentured servent.

Johnson worked off his indenture by 1635 and became a freeman. He homesteaded a farm and acquired indentured servants of his own to work it. An industrious sort, Johnson expanded his farm holdings to 250 acres by 1651 and his indentured work force. Then, Anthony Johnson the gentleman farmer, decided he did not want to free one of his indentured servants who's worked off his indenture and wanted to work for a neighbor's farm. Johnson sued in court to have John Casor returned to him and bound over to him in perpetuity. Johnson became the first true slave holder in all of the American colonies and instituted true slavery into the American experience.

In the end, Johnson's greed came back to bite him. The Virginia colonial legislature decided that blacks could no longer work off their indentures and gain their freedom; they were permanently bound to their masters. Moreover, these slaves could not own nor pass on (or will) property. In Johnson's case, his estate's property was seized when he died and his children became slaves.

This is the real story that is overlooked when people are taught about slavery in America: Anthony Johnson, a black man from Africa, bought is freedom and then turned around to bind another black man to him as his slave — and won his case in court. This victory established black slavery in America. But, in the end, Johnson and his family lost everything when they were stripped of their freedom and property by the colonial legislature when slavery was officially established in the colonies.

24 posted on 03/18/2016 5:56:55 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 ( To err is human, to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: high info voter

God invented whiskey so that the Irish wouldn’t rule the world.


25 posted on 03/18/2016 5:58:32 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: IronJack; miss marmelstein

If I can believe the notes in the blank pages in the back of our Family Bible, which has been in my family since arriving in Jamestown, Virginia in 1607, my great,g,g,g,...grandfather purchased an Irish slave named Sarah and freed and married her in 1650. That would make me the descendant of an Irish slave.
Yes, I am familiar with Irish Slavery.


26 posted on 03/18/2016 6:01:27 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: BuffaloJack

I’ll bet she was pretty, too! The Irish are a good-looking tribe.


27 posted on 03/18/2016 6:02:32 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: katana

I believe Captain Blood is Flynn’s first starring role - it launched him into superstardom which is pretty obvious if you watch it!


28 posted on 03/18/2016 6:05:09 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: DickBrannigan

Yes. This is not your 1916 army anymore.


29 posted on 03/18/2016 6:05:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: miss marmelstein

You have to be one of the only people on earth to claim Richard III as your favorite king! He is almost universally loathed, although recent history has redeemed him somewhat.


30 posted on 03/18/2016 6:19:33 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: high info voter

So, is this going to lead to a ‘repatriations for the Irish’ movement?

Dig into any group, far enough, and you’ll find sins enough to sink them.


31 posted on 03/18/2016 6:19:44 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Go Ted!)
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To: BuffaloJack
Then you have a claim for reparations!

I am from German ancestry. We were never slaves. We were the enslavers. But you didn't hear that from me ...

32 posted on 03/18/2016 6:20:54 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: miss marmelstein
Yep, although the first time he was on film was in a silent documentary filmed in New Guinea. He was an adventurous kid from a good family in Tasmania trying to make it as a gold prospector when a film crew doing a "look at the cannibals" documentary used him in some footage, wrestling a crocodile IIRC. At least that's what I seem to remember from Flynn's autobiography, My Wicked, Wicked Ways, which is an absolute hoot to read and no doubt full of some "exaggeration".
33 posted on 03/18/2016 6:21:51 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: IronJack

Well IronJack, my mother’s father came from Germany to the USA around 1905. So, I have some German blood in me too. It was my father’s side that were Scottish, Irish and English.


34 posted on 03/18/2016 6:30:28 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: IronJack

There was a fan club for Richard, one member of whom was involved in finding the location of his burial and significantly featured in the documentary about that and the identification of his remains. The lady was deeply disappointed to find that Richard was indeed afflicted with scoliosis, so at least in that respect Shakespeare’s depiction of him as a “hunchback” was reasonably accurate. It was certainly in his interest under a Tudor queen to make the last House of York king look like a monster, but Richard and his family gave Bill plenty to work with.


35 posted on 03/18/2016 6:31:34 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: miss marmelstein
My favorite king, Richard the Third

No no no, It's got to be BB King, followed by Freddie King, Albert King, King Curtis and Kingfish. Not to mention MLK and Alveda King.

All those British kings suck, we fought a terrible bloody war to get away from the incestuous freaks.

36 posted on 03/18/2016 6:37:11 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Ohhh....Derka derka derka!)
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To: IronJack

Wrong! He has hundreds of thousands of, perhaps millions of people all over the world who revere his career as Duke of Gloucester and as king. No less than Derek Jacobi, Robert Hardy and Judi Dench have admired him for decades and worked to rehabilitate his name due to the problems created by Sir Thomas More. Two or three foundations are committed to rehabilitating his name. And he was revered by both Ireland and the North of England in his time. London, not so much, lol.


37 posted on 03/18/2016 6:39:22 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Actually, I can admire who I want.


38 posted on 03/18/2016 6:40:17 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: miss marmelstein

Yeah, we see that.


39 posted on 03/18/2016 6:41:59 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Ohhh....Derka derka derka!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Why do the Irish whine more than the descendants of other European immigrants? The Italian, Polish, German and other immigrants suffered from discrimination due to ethnic and religious bigotry as well. Only the Jews are comparable in their litany of complaints about their treatment in late 19th and early 20th Century America. German, Polish, Italian, Greek, and Slavic Americans worked hard and overcame their discrimination without wallowing in self-pity. You cannot say the same about the Jews or the Irish.

Nonetheless, the Irish have legitimate complaints against the English, who stole their country and most of their land. No other country in Europe was so oppressed, not even Poland, where at least the occupying powers of Lutheran Prussia and Orthodox Russia permitted the practice of Catholicism and did not steal the land from the peasants or the native nobility. The Highland Scots suffered intensely under the English as well, losing their land and their clan structure. Many Scots were expelled and sent to the West Indies plantations under conditions similar to those suffered by the Irish. However, since most Scots were Protestant, they did not suffer from the religious persecution that the Catholic Irish endured.

As for indentured servitude in America and Australia and impression into the Royal Navy, there were many poor Englishmen and Scots, as well as Irishmen, who were forced into this condition by corrupt courts and press gangs. By no means were the white slaves in colonial America exclusively or even predominantly Irish.

40 posted on 03/18/2016 6:54:28 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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