Posted on 03/09/2016 6:42:13 AM PST by CodeJockey
I was born on a USAF base (Pepperrell AFB St. John's NFLD Canada) and of course my father was a US citizen at the time. He was actually born in Kentucky. We moved to Myrtle Beach AFB when I was around six months old.
I barely remember when I was very young, maybe around five or six having to perform some kind of ritual declaring my allegiance to the US. I have some form declaring my citizenship at that date. I had to get it out a few weeks ago when my son joined the NC National Guard to verify I was a US citizen.
So how come I was not a US citizen until I took the oath even though I was born of a US citizen on a US AFB in Canada, but Ted Cruz was one immediately at the time of his birth.
If I had know I was eligible to be President of the Unites States, I would have perhaps became a lawyer or maybe a community organizer. .
Your parents probably handled it when they returned to the US, like some Christian denomination parents/godparents speak on behalf of the infant at its Christening. Somewhere in the bowels of the State Department is a Consular Report of Birth Abroad in your name. You just never knew about it is what I’d assume.
My sister was born in Tokyo when my Dad was in the Army. Aside from getting a misplaced birth certificate when she wanted a passport, she was always considered an American citizen.
You would not want her to be your President. Trust me.
>>> Neither do you apparently
You have given absolutely NO substance to your position.
I understand what the Supreme court has had to say about it in 4 different cases. The Supreme Court says that it is YOU who does not know the meaning.
See the link in post # 26 in this thread.
” Having to recite some ritualistic nonsense sounds fake.”
Maybe it was the pledge of allegiance in 1st grade he is remembering!!
No to pick too many nits, but as a person under 18 you could not legally make an oath to anything and have it be legal.
They may have done to it make you “feel good” but it was certainly nothing “official.”
do you hear yourself?... See the applicable naturalization laws? A natural born citizen doe snot need to go to any law because at their birth, the only country involved was the US & no other. Just because the law retroactively gives citizenship, that does not make them natural born, it makes them naturalized through the a passed by Congress under the authority given to them in A1,S8,C4.
Different rule for Canada...you know it’s very close to the USA!
LoL!
>>> Pot, meet kettle.
Pot Smoker meet the Supreme Court.
But my guess is that you really are/were a citizen as of birth, and either the form doesn't say what you think it says, or someone did something incorrectly.
Almost all children born in the circumstances you describe are American Citizens at birth, without question.
BUT... If only one parent is a US citizen, then that parent must have been a resident of the US for a specified period of time after reaching the age of 14.
Perhaps your qualifying parent did not meet that requirement. If this is NOT the case, then you were and ARE TODAY, a US citizen by birth, and the ceremony you describe was both unnecessary and redundant. Worse, it would cloud the natural claim on US citizenship accruing to you by the circumstances of your birth.
If your fatter is alive, I would question him closely on this. It’s weird, that’s for certain.
Interesting to note the print at the bottom of the CRBA form...
“A Consular Report of Birth is proof of United States Citizenship by law: 22 USC 2705”.
Have we seen Cruz’s CRBA?
She was listed as living at a specific address on a document that was used the way we do census. It had nothing to do with citizenship status, was simply a way to count who is there and where they live.
I think if your parents were both American citizens then you are a citizen.
My son was born in Germany also, however, his mother was German. Even though he was born on an American Air Force base, we still had to declare his US. Citizenship when I arrived back in the states.
He’s 46 now, and we recently had to request paperwork from Germany to get his passport to travel to France and China.
I was told in Germany that without the paperwork he would have trouble getting passports in the future, and “would never be able to run for president.”. They actually told me that! That was in 1968.
By the way, what does this certificate say? Its title?
Perhaps you were issued a belated Consular Report of Birth Abroad...
Dual Citizens? Yes, but DUAL means two.
They are US Citizens whether they were born on the base, in a British Hospital, or on the side of the road.
I still don’t understand why you had to prove your citizenship for a kid to join the military. Mine didn’t.
It’s sort of like the Joooish problem. You’re not a Jew unless your mother was a Jew.
Maybe because England recognizes a dual citizenship, but the United States does not. In other words, your two nieces were already U.S. citizens at birth, but because they were born on British soil at the British hospital, and not on the U.S. base (U.S. soil), they were given British Citizenship, as well.
The standard, double or not, doesn’t apply. He is a citizen, he is not a natural born citizen, and no act of Congress before or after his birth can change that.
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