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To: A Conservative Thinker
No, that's your interpretation of it, because quite frankly that the way you want to see it. You are so zoned into Cruz that you have absolutely failed to even entertain the though of actually listening to Trump.

That's called tunnel-vision.

I was in fact a Ted Cruz supporter, who thought Donald Trump was a joke.

As for your juvenile accusation that I am spinning like a top, only hinders your attempts to have any impact upon me. For I spin nothing. Instead I give you my honest view which is clearly evident you reject.

He has never uttered any such thing as even remotely rising to interpretation as a "comprehensive" plan to citizenship. For that path has already been established by Congress.

When he talks about accepting them back in he is clearly talking about that law, the legal method of acquiring citizenship. If somehow you see it as being something akin to the Gang of 8 plan, that's totally on you. You have allowed yourself to be cajoled into believing what Ted Cruz says it means. How does his stating he wants to deport them get construed as something other than that? Is that not confirmation to you that he agrees with your contention that illegals should not be here? If not then I don't know how more explicitly he could state it to convince you.

There is a Latino vote even if all of the illegals were deported tomorrow, because not all are illegal. They came here the right way, and went though the legal steps to obtain their citizenship.

Since Trump has never been in a government position, either Civil Service or elective office, what the government hasn't done cannot be laid at the feet of Donald Trump.

Show me the proof where Donald Trump has spelled out this touchback plan you are so adamantly claiming is his plan. I want definitive proof of him laying it out in clear English and he says he intends to kick them out as some kind of show, to then turn around and let them back in. I'm confident you cannot produce such proof because it doesn't exist. Instead you have allowed Ted Cruz to convince you that this is what Trump intends to do.

There you go again, my cult of personality. I'm frankly sick and tired of Cruz supporters who callously try to demean those they are debating, thinking they have all the answers, while the rest of us are nothing more than mindless lemmings who require someone else to make decisions for us. When in fact you all parrot the same arguments. Who exactly is creating the talking pints for you all to sound as one voice?

Again your attacks only hinder people from taking you seriously or even wanting to listen to what you have to say. In fact you now have me thinking perhaps you all are the members of the Ted Cruz cult.

I'll agree with you that the Hart-Cellar Act needs to be repealed, for it should never have been enacted in the first place. But the Democrats enjoyed a super majority controlling not only the Executive Branch but both Houses of Congress as well. By the time Republicans regained any control the damage had already been done.

Donald Trump and his supporters also agree with your belief that deportation of illegal aliens should be carried out. However, are you sure Ted Cruz plans to deport illegal aliens?

Lastly, we both agree that our borders need to be protected. Donald also believes that. He might even agree with you with regards to disengagement overseas, I honestly do not know because I do not remember him speaking on that subject. That is where I would diverge from both of you and Donald. However, their defense should not be borne solely by the American taxpayer. For our presence there benefits us as well. It gives us forward positions and it makes it ore likely to be the front lines of battles, instead of the United States.

Well may the best man win tomorrow in South Carolina, that being Donald Trump. But whatever the outcome I promise you this. No sitting at home whining about my candidate losing, no 3rd party candidate as a protest vote. Instead I ill be voting for the Republican nominee regardless who it is. Even the two-faced Rubio who I despise the most, even more than Bush. Because he couldn't possibly be as bad as either of the Democrat hopefuls. Because it is what is best for this country. I have serious doubts that Cruz supporters would do the same. For they impress me as reacting more like sore losers than adults if they fail to get their way.

98 posted on 02/20/2016 1:24:52 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
No, that's called projection. You're to caught up in all the Trump mania to take a hard look and analyze his record. Like you, I liked the buzz surrounding Trump's remarks on immigration but once you sort through the hype and look back at his record you find holes and a large canyon in 2013. Ted Cruz has nothing to do with my position and really avoided going after him until January. You did attempt to misdirect me and spin the comments Donald Trump made against Mitt Romney to give a misleading impression that they're consistent with anything but pandering to Hispanics and supportive of amnesty. You ignored his reference to comprehensive reform and continue to spin. I would point to his 2013 meeting with a Democrat Strategist and three DREAMer activists that were on tour. They evidently "convinced him" on the issue and he admitted to employing illegal aliens in Miami. I would point to his support for a path citizenship in remarks to the press in Chicago endorsing amnesty. I would point to Eric Trump's complaint about the media ignoring their swift reentry upon deportation. I would point to his "big open door" in reference to building a wall on the southern border. I am sure you'll spin that as well but he clearly did support amnesty and he has no record of opposing the Gang of 8 immigration bill. Jeff Sessions has stated that Ted Cruz was right along side him fighting it and Trump supporters overlook it or intentionally ignore it. Ted Cruz supports making E-Verify a requirement. Cruz was running for Senate on building a wall and his amendment was thwarted in committee. Is Ted Cruz the perfect candidate on the issue? Absolutely not. As I said, I am completely opposed to any effort to legalize law breaking otherwise called amnesty. We do not owe illegal aliens anything nor are they entitled to anything because use they utterly disregard American laws and sovereignty. I want American soldiers on the border defending our country. Mark Kirkorian formerly at CIS summed up my take on Trump and immigration..he made it an issue for 2016 but that's the extent of it and you can't seriously support him. There is a Latino vote because of prior amnesty and anchor babies. Its absurd that illegal aliens can birth US citizens and to his credit Trump made that an issue. If you want address Ted Kennedy's immigration bill in 1965, I don't see you as being serious about undoing the problem. It opened up America to the entire third world and the Democrats are importing their constituents. I've already went on record saying I will take Trump as a secondary choice very reluctantly with huge misgivings as a protest againat the GOPe if somehow Ted Cruz was not the nominee.
110 posted on 02/20/2016 11:11:18 AM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: Robert DeLong

I’m pressed for time and we can discuss this later.


111 posted on 02/20/2016 11:12:17 AM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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