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Black Death may have been lurking for centuries: DNA of plague victims in France backs up theory...
MailOnline ^ | By Ellie Zolfagharifard and Ryan O'Hare

Posted on 01/23/2016 7:57:47 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin

Diseases eradicated here are coming back due to the illegals being allowed in.


21 posted on 01/23/2016 9:08:39 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: BenLurkin

Michelangelo caught the plague and survived it. This according to Irving Stone in The Agony and the Ecstasy.


22 posted on 01/23/2016 9:12:10 PM PST by mumblypeg (I've seen the future; brother it is murder. -L. Cohen)
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To: BenLurkin
This sort of thing keeps epidemiologists employed. Europe was very likely exposed to Y. pestis or something like it quite a bit before the thing exploded from Italy in 1346. Certain sources think that the Plague of Justinian (AD 541) was one such wave of infection from the grand reservoir in central Asia. The thing comes, it enters millions of human bodies, each of which provides a severe immunological challenge even if ultimately succumbing, it mutates as a result, it dies or goes dormant only to recur. Great stuff, and nobody knows the real answer.

Marseilles is, incidentally, one of the most ancient habitations in Europe. It was Greek before anything else, and as such a trade center before the Romans rose to greatness. What actually came in over these trade routes is lost in the mists of time, but these people were never isolated.

23 posted on 01/23/2016 9:23:11 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: BuffaloJack

Serving in ‘Nam in 1979?


24 posted on 01/23/2016 9:29:18 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: BuffaloJack

You were serving in Vietnam in 1979 ? Interesting! Must be a typo ... I would think...


25 posted on 01/23/2016 9:29:41 PM PST by ICCtheWay (1)
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To: BuffaloJack
In November 1979, while serving in Vietnam

You must have been serving in the Chinese Army then because those were the only foreign troops in Vietnam in 1979.

26 posted on 01/23/2016 9:31:55 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Texas Fossil

Welcome to New Mexico—Land of the Flea, Home of the Plague.


27 posted on 01/23/2016 9:37:06 PM PST by moonhawk (What would he do differently if he WAS a muslim?)
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To: XHogPilot

Typo


From an earlier thread:
A Purple Heart is a very sacred medal. It should only be given to someone who was seriously wounded or killed.
I refused one 45 years ago because my injury in a firefight by an AK47 round was slight and only needed treating with iodine and a bandaid.


28 posted on 01/23/2016 9:44:02 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Bob434

In rural parts of New Mexico. Connected to some kind of nuts at least I have read that several years ago.


29 posted on 01/23/2016 9:53:05 PM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: BenLurkin

Maybe some species that lives far away from people is the reservoir, and only rare extreme weather conditions drives them into proximity with people.

But the map the article shows of the spread of plague over time seems to indicate that it came in a wave from Asia Minor and in from the coasts - not springing up locally.

The Mongol empires left after their great conquests were still ruling Asia, and plague outbreaks are still common in the Summer in present-day Mongolia.


30 posted on 01/23/2016 10:07:36 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BenLurkin
I remember watching a show on PBS where a scientist working with the AIDs virus claimed that certain people from some European populations carry a genetic mutation that prevents HIV from entering their white blood cells.

He believed that this mutation which dates back some 700 years had been caused by the plague and only occurs in those descended from certain European areas and Great Britain.

31 posted on 01/23/2016 10:49:41 PM PST by Larry381 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: matthew fuller

lots of people used to eat them- probably not so much anymore— We watched ‘turtle ma’ who catches animals with his bare hands- coyotes, bobcats etc- and he would catch armadillos, BUT he wore gloves and was very cautious around them


32 posted on 01/24/2016 12:19:45 AM PST by Bob434
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To: BenLurkin

I agree with others. I suspect that pretty much everything that attacks humans today has been ‘Lurkin for many millions of years, but cannot break out unless the conditions are right, with the two key conditions being population density and sanitation. One in a while one of these microbes pops up, takes out some people, but don’t have the capability to go widespread. But if the populace is already weakened, and living tightly together, watch out.


33 posted on 01/24/2016 4:13:34 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; ...
Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.

34 posted on 01/24/2016 4:59:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: dfwgator

Sorry type 1970 not 1979.


35 posted on 01/24/2016 5:07:49 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: BenLurkin

Black Death is racist.


36 posted on 01/24/2016 5:27:32 AM PST by wny
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

During the time of the 1348-1350 outbreak, folks were pretty unhygienic.
It was common to have farm animals living in the same hovel as people. Fleas were just a fact of life..


37 posted on 01/24/2016 5:43:08 AM PST by cardinal4 (Certified Islamophobe)
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To: Texas Fossil

You’re thinking of Hanta virus. Plague here is the old fashioned variety carried by fleas from rodents. Usually a family pet gets them from a dead ground squirrel or sod poodle. Had a death a couple miles away a year or so ago.


38 posted on 01/24/2016 5:55:03 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BenLurkin; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; ..
Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

39 posted on 01/24/2016 7:49:35 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Rats hitch rides on land cargo as well and by sea.

Plague first came to the United States in the 1850's. The rail companies were importing Chinese Coolies to work on the transcontinental railway.

There was a small plague outbreak in San Francisco's Chinatown district. An alert doctor spotted the outbreak almost immediately, and appealed to the city council to institute a quarantine and rat catching program.

The town fathers refused to believe there was plague in their fair city.

They screwed around long enough for it to infect the local ground squirrel population where there was no hope stopping it from spreading. Thanks to their inaction, one can be exposed to plague anywhere in the western US.

Any parallels one wishes to draw with a more recent "gay plague" are left to the reader as an exercise.

Those who do not learn the lessons of the past...

40 posted on 01/24/2016 7:55:09 AM PST by null and void (This war starts in the spiritual realm-it will end in ours though.)
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