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To: Citizen Zed

There is nothing conservative about campaigning for Barack Obama & Goldman Sachs’ TPA. Yet the Lion of Conservatism did just that.

What we have here is name it whatever you want movement taking over the corportism of the GOPe.

Look how fast the Freedom Caucus rolled over. Conservatism has been dead a long time in the GOPe and we’re just realizing it now.


6 posted on 01/20/2016 11:46:06 AM PST by lodi90 (TRUMP Force 1 lifting off)
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To: lodi90

Yes! Give it whatever label you want, because all the old labels, particularly ‘conservative’ have become so watered down that they are now meaningless. George Will says he’s ‘conservative’. Paul Ryan says he’s ‘conservative’. Bill Kristol says he’s ‘conservative’.

It’s no wonder people have stopped listening to it. For crying out loud, what does it even mean anymore? I know what it means to ME, but how do I know what it really means to anyone else, including Ted Cruz?

People who say they’re voting for Ted Cruz because he’s the ‘true conservative’ are whistling past the graveyard.


18 posted on 01/20/2016 11:50:44 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: lodi90

Which is why defeating the Uniparty this election is Job #1.

Trump can do it. Cruz can do it.

I’m happy we’re fighting between two guys either of whom will stick it to the Uniparty.


41 posted on 01/20/2016 12:00:52 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Lindsey Graham: Ted Cruz Is Worse Than Donald Trump)
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To: lodi90
There is nothing conservative about campaigning for Barack Obama & Goldman Sachs' TPA. Yet the Lion of Conservatism did just that.

You are so uninformed about what TPA actually is. You are conflating it with TPP, either because you are just repeating talking points, or because you are ignorant.

Just to clarify, TPA has been around since the 70's. It creates a framework that lays out what Congress will accept and will not accept in any trade negotiations in advance. This is to make sure that negotiators are not making deals that Congress knows in advance they will not approve.

Let's look at this from a practical aspect. If you are a businessman negotiating a contract, how would you feel if every time you thought you had an agreement, the opposing party had to take it back to the corporate office, where they reviewed for months on end, only to have the other party come back and tell you that on items you spent months negotiating, the other party never had the authority to negotiate in the first place? And now you have to start all over.

Even with TPA, Congress has the ability to decide that the Administration did not follow the guidelines established and can either reject the entire agreement, or they can amend the agreement based on the failure to abide by the TPA requirements.

So this idea that support for TPA=support for TPP is simplistic and naive, and just a liberal talking point.

51 posted on 01/20/2016 12:04:17 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: lodi90
"There is nothing conservative about campaigning for Barack Obama & Goldman Sachs’ TPA. Yet the Lion of Conservatism did just that."

Conservatism without Nationalism is no different than Faith without Works.

Not worth a hill of beans.

82 posted on 01/20/2016 12:23:26 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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