[miliantnutcase]

I think if Hitler never back-stabs Stalin and attacks the USSR- Hitler wins. I don’t see anyway the Allies break into Europe without his forces spread into two fronts.

[Lurker]

Just because.

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[PeterPrinciple]

I think if Hitler never back-stabs Stalin and attacks the USSR- Hitler wins.

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But Hitler knew Stalin was going to back stab him sometime in the future. If Hitler did not start the two front war, Stalin was going to.

Just a matter of when but was going to happen.

[frog in a pot]

Especially if England folded; it would not have been available to the allies for pre-invasion staging.

With no threat from the west, and little or no involvement of the US, one could further speculate a more qualified German military leader could have defeated Stalin.

[driftless2]

I'll have to disagree. Again, Germany had not defeated Great Britain and the commonwealth. The war in the Atlantic was critical for Hitler. Like everywhere else, Germany was very successful there for the first two years. After about three years things started going downhill fast. The Allies controlled the seas. Germany would have to sit tight in where they were and hope an armistice. But Churchill and Roosevelt/Truman were not going to give in.

Even without the SU, America could outproduce Germany. So Hitler still had to battle GB and America. Remember, during WWI after Russia surrendered, Germany had an extra million troops to go to the western front. They still lost.

In the end America's huge capacity for resources plus manpower would do in Germany. Germany had the V2 rockets, but America was developing the atomic bomb. In the end, Germany would be worn down. Or Berlin destroyed by an atomic bomb.