(August 21, 2014) Why Muslim Terrorists Don’t Kidnap Russians

L.A. Times via Moonbattery.com ^ | August 21, 2014

[Beave Meister]

Terrorists use terrorism because it works, although not against everybody. The Soviet Union’s flaws were without number, but the effete, obsequious squeamishness that characterizes the current American approach to Islam was not among them. From 1986:

The Jerusalem Post said the Soviet secret police last year secured the release of three kidnaped Soviet diplomats in Beirut by castrating a relative of a radical Lebanese Shia Muslim leader, sending him the severed organs and then shooting the relative in the head.

The incident began when four Soviet diplomats were kidnaped last September by Muslim extremists who demanded that Moscow pressure the Syrian government to stop pro-Syrian militiamen from shelling rival Muslim positions in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.

The militiamen, the Jerusalem paper said, did not cease their attacks, and the body of one of the Soviet diplomats, Arkady Katkov, was found a few days later in a field in Beirut.

[cradle of freedom]

Take it to the mullahs. They are the source of all sin in Islam.

[cripplecreek]

The Russians put several rounds into all 40 odd terrorists when most of them were already under due to the gas. Not that I blame them for it.

The local police did a crappy job of cordoning the place off and a local woman went into the theater on her own and urged the hostages to rise up against the cowards. Naturally she was killed but that was one ballsy woman.

[DIRTYSECRET]

In 1986 Beruit the ‘relative’ they kidnapped and cut up was a 12 year old boy.

[SampleMan]

Muslims have kidnapped and killed plenty of Russians. Beslan should be required reading for anyone that doesn’t understand that.

[dragnet2]

There ya go.

[kaehurowing]

#RussianLivesMatter

[This_far]

Most posts/replies don’t bother me... this one a bit, but not you, the topic

We, this country, shouldn’t be in the position to be even discussing this.

[Ciexyz]

The average citizen wants our leaders to keep the country safe and we don’t much care how it’s done as long as we don’t have another Boston bombing or 9-11. We vote you in and expect you to do whatever it takes.

[This_far]

The average citizen (these days, perhaps not all) probably doesn’t even know the difference between the Emma Lazarus poem v/s the winner of a Readers Digest contest, the Boy Scouts of America motto, the Pledge of Allegiance or the Oath of Office that our purported keepers of the Constitution swear to upon taking elected office.

Lest I be accused being a women hater, allow me to add the best ... The Girl Scouts of America...

careful, it’s sexist... Be Prepared

“http://www.girlscouts.org/en/about-girl-scouts/traditions.html";

[Pollster1]

It’s more like, here’s your choices: would you like to be shot in the head like a man, or castrated and then shot in the head?

[spetznaz]

Ironically that is considered one of the more successful counter-terrorism raids according to several Western Spec-ops that spoke about it at the time. How, especially considering so many people died? Simple because of the range of alternative options that were present. The terrorists, who included several female 'black widows' that had strapped explosives to their bodies, had laced the entire theater with explosives. This included what was basically a landmine strapped to the main doors.

So, lets look at the options. Any breach would have led to the Jihadis either detonating the main explosives, or the blackwidows detonating their suicide belts. Possibly both. Additionally, any breach would not just have to be sudden, but it would also have to immediately incapacitate every single terrorist at the same time since the moment the Jihadis saw some of their members getting woozy they would detonate. Third, the Chechen Jihadis in that theater went in to die - thus there would be no happy ending or negotiated release.

Hence, the need to use a gas that would have to incapacitate everyone at the same time. Unfortunately, that meant that the concentrations would be too high for some, and there were children in the theater.

Result? Several hundred died, but most were saved. Had the Chechen Jihadis had their way the death toll would have been much higher.

What was interesting is that those former Spec-ops talking heads mentioned that had the same exact attach happened in, say, NYC or London, there would have been no real solution. They thought the Russian response was not only the right one, but considering the situation it was the best.

Now, if you want to see a situation where the Russians messed up, have a look at the Beslan school hostage situation. That was a real command and control muck up. Proper. However, the Theater Hostage in Moscow was not only one of the most successful hostage takedowns - due to the specific set of circumstances at play - it was one that without the nerve gas would have led to almost absolute casualties.

It was a situation of whether you are going to lose big or whether you are going to lose everything. The Russians chose to lose big rather than lose everything. All Western governments need to think about what they would do in such situations - where a simple SWAT-esque breach will not work - since it will obviously happen. A situation where linear breaches will not work, where out of the box thinking will be required, and a choice will have to be made between taking a decision that will cost lives (but save most) or hold out for a more 'optimal' solution that would only lead to more dead. A number of brave Americans faced that situation up in the air on 9/11/2001, when they learned that other planes had been flown into buildings. They had a bad set of choices - even if they overcame the Saudi Jihadis how would they land the plans - but they still went ahead since acting was the best decision out of a range of unfortunate choices.

Western governments need to 'prepare their chi' for such decisions.

[cripplecreek]

Agreed, its was definitely a successful worst case situation. 850 hostages taken with over 700 survivors. The gas used is still undisclosed but the British and USA governments both deemed it justifiable.

Wiki has a decent enough write up about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

[Parmy]

Take it to the mullahs. They are the source of all sin in Islam.

Even beyond the mullahs. They whole philosophy is the problem, from day one. It is an evil philosophy, no matter how it is spun. 1400 years of track record speaks volumes about Islam's evil.

[Oatka]

And their Politically Incorrect way of handling thugs (note position of trigger finger):

[WMarshal]

This_far we are in a war and, because the geldings in the federal government and our leading institutions are bought-off traitors, public opinion is getting ugly and will continue to get uglier until our “leaders” start looking out for us or they are replaced with someone who will.