It Begins: Attorney Ann Coulter Says Ted Cruz Not Eligible

Article II ^ | November 13, 2015 | no author given

[firebrand]

First ballot access challenge.

That's all it says.

[flaglady47]

“Do you realize how annoying you Trump fanatics are? Everything you say is just a nauseating echo of your messiah Trump. I pray that once Trump is off the stage you’ll come to your senses and get behind the only viable conservative running for President.”

Speaking of annoying, go look in a mirror.

[WorksinKOP]

Your correct.. McCain is not an issue.. The question posed at the time was his place of birth. It relates exactly to the question at hand. If it was important enough to be discussed by the US Senate, I ask, why? In addition, please give us the US Law that was passed , that you mentioned. That in itself may help me in understanding this issue.. Thanks!!

[AFret.]

Come on now, quit playing the Village Idiot.

Read the source and other posts here, there are only two types of citizenship, NBC and Naturalized.

A parent and in particularly the mother who is a US citizen, passes NBC onto her or their children, regardless where the birth took place.

Naturalization requires the PERSON to request such citizenship. Did Cruz request Naturalized citizenship? No! As he was already a Natural Born Citizen.

Got it..enjoy your concept of reality.

[kabar]

Yes, they are eligible. Which just means they aren't legally disqualified from office. They'd still have to win the election. There doesn't have to be legal disqualification against everyone we don't want to win.

I don't agree with your assertion. Why should the child born of a tourist or an illegal alien be considered eligible to run for President an NBC as required under the Constitution? I would challenge any such any such candidate in the courts. It is the reason why this issue needs to be adjudicated by SCOTUS to define exactly what is an NBC for the purposes of being President or Vice President. These are the only offices we are talking about, not all elective office.

"Citizen at birth" is not "natural born citizenship". Those are entirely different concepts. Many people are made citizens at birth by statute. That is what the statute did that retroactively made John McCain a U.S. citizen at birth, or the statute that makes persons born in Puerto Rico U.S. citizens at birth, or some provisions of 8 USC 1401, but those are naturalization statutes, and one can be naturalized at birth. It doesn't have to be done after birth, through a congressional "private bill", or through an application process.

For example, natural born citizens of Puerto Rico are not natural born citizens of the United States, eligible to be president, while it remains a protectorate or dependency. However, citizens of Puerto Rico have been naturalized by statute to be citizens of the United States at birth. Now if Puerto Rico were admitted as a state, its natural born citizens would then become natural born citizens of the United States, eligible to be president, if otherwise qualified.

No Supreme Court opinion has "defined" natural born citizenship for purposes of presidential eligibility. The cases cited were either dictum or concerned ordinary citizenship sufficient to vote or hold office, but not to serve as president.

The burden of proof of eligibility is on the candidate, not on one challenging eligibility, and he must be presumed to be ineligible unless or until he can produce the proof.

[kabar]

See my post #164. Cruz was naturalized by statute, His mother had to apply to get him citizenship insuring he met certain criteria.

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

[VictoryGal]

I guess her mind is deteriorating along with her looks.

Sad. And a little pathetic.

[X-spurt]

When one is completely unable to retort, copy and paste.

I realize you can not refute the points I made.

That’s silly to take that ploy within a serious and important discussion. This is not some 7th grade thing.

[mlo]

"I don't agree with your assertion. Why should the child born of a tourist or an illegal alien be considered eligible to run for President an NBC as required under the Constitution?"

Should? This isn't a question of preferences. It is a fact that anyone born within the United States is a natural born citizen. That's what the rule has always been, and was at the time the founders wrote it into the Constitution. Whether anyone thinks it should be that way, it IS that way.

There is no separate category of "citizen by statute". A citizen is either naturalized, or natural born. That's it.

[firebrand]

Well, it will cause the facts to appear, now that it is on FR.

[Yosemitest]

Do you believe that TED CRUZ's father was ILLEGAL ?
Do you believe that TED CRUZ's mother was ILLEGAL ?

I SAY AGAINL

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE WE ARE DISCUSSING !

[Yosemitest]

Boy, THAT’s A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY !

[Yosemitest]

NO, I'm just angry that we have so many IDIOTS that DO NOT RESPECT the AMENDMENTS TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

[kabar]

Should? This isn't a question of preferences. It is a fact that anyone born within the United States is a natural born citizen.

It is not a fact. Why do you think the 14th Amendment was written? "Subject to the jurisdiction of" is there for a reason. Blacks were not considered citizens nor were American Indians. The idea of birthright citizenship was done by statute. It can be reversed thru a law passed by Congress. It will no doubt be challenged in the courts and we will see what happens. There are only 33 countries that have birthright citizenship, most them are in the Western Hemisphere.

The children of accredited diplomats born in the US are not citizens. There are other exceptions under law.

There is no separate category of "citizen by statute". A citizen is either naturalized, or natural born. That's it.

Can someone born in Puerto Rico or Guam become President? They are American citizens by birth. Why are they excluded from voting in Presidential elections?

We have not resolved what the Founders meant by natural born citizen as it applies to being eligible for President and Vice President. The courts have never adjudicated it.

[kabar]

It has nothing to do with being illegal. Cruz’s father was not a US citizen when Ted Cruz was born. His mother was. It was thru here that his UD citizenship was conveyed. The question is whether Cruz is a NBC under the Constitution and is eligible for President. The courts have never defined what NBC is. It needs to be done.

[AFret.]

When one is completely unable to retort, copy and paste.

I realize you can not refute the points I made.

That’s silly to take that ploy within a serious and important discussion. This is not some 7th grade thing.
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Your 7th grade response concerning this serious issue is noted.
However,..If a determination of Cruz’s pedigree has been made and is above reproach, why are we having this “adult” discussion. (Google NBC and get back to me)..thanks.

[WENDLE]

You can research it. Good luck. Its there but I don’t research for you.

[Yosemitest]

"t has nothing to do with being illegal."

Then WHY did you bring it into the discussion ?

" The question is whether Cruz is a NBC under the Constitution and is eligible for President."

There's NO question to it!

I repost PROOF for those you have INTENTIONALLY confused.

FACT: Cruz’s father’s Cuban nationality at the time of Cruz’s birth, is irrelevant, according to the law at that time,
just so long as he was a LEGAL Immigrant at the time of Ted Cruz's birth,
AND both of Ted Cruz's parents were legally married to each other.

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

The 14th Amendment IS a part of the U.S. Constitution and states in SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
So, under that power to legislate, Congress legislated and the President signed into law:
When ONE parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national,
the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child,
with five of the years after the age of 14.

... While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship,
amendments since 1952 HAVE ELIMINATED THESE REQUIREMENTS.

When Ted Cruz was born, his parents were "IN WEDLOCK".

They married, moved to Calgary, Alberta, and in late 1970 had their first and only child, Rafael Edward Cruz.
Cruz was born on December 22, 1970 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada where his parents, Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson and Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.

Cruz's mother was born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware, in a family of three quarters Irish and one quarter Italian descent.
Eleanor Darragh, mother of Ted Cruz, was raised in Delaware, graduated from a Catholic High School (1952) in the U.S., as well as Rice University (1956),
so clearly she meets the residency requirements.

Source

In 1957, Rafael Bienvenido Cruz (Ted Cruz's father) decided to get out of Cuba by applying to the University of Texas.
Upon being admitted, he adds, he got a four-year student visa at the U.S. Consulate in Havana.

"Since he liked to eat seven days a week, he worked seven days a week, and he paid his way through the University of Texas," Ted Cruz says of his father, "and then ended up getting a job and eventually going on to start a small business and to work towards the American dream."

Only he did that in Canada, where Ted was born.
His father went there after having earlier obtained political asylum in the U.S. when his student visa ran out.
He then got a green card, he says, and married Ted's mother, an American citizen.
The two of them moved to Canada to work in the oil industry.

"I worked in Canada for eight years," Rafael Cruz says. "And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen."

The elder Cruz says he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he finally became a U.S. citizen in 2005 —
48 years after leaving Cuba.
Why did he take so long to do it?
"I don't know. I guess laziness, or — I don't know," he says.


So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

“Senator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen,” said spokeswoman Catherine Frazier.
... The U.S. Constitution allows only a “natural born” American citizen to serve as president.
Most legal scholars who have studied the question agree that includes an American born overseas to an American parent, such as Cruz.

[kabar]

We can only go around this tree so many times. I didn't say the Cruz was illegal. But his eligibility to run for President under the Constitution is already coming under scrutiny.

Every president to date was either a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution in 1789 or born in the United States; of those in the latter group, every president except two (Chester A. Arthur and Barack Obama) had two U.S.-citizen parents. Some presidential candidates were /not born in a U.S. state or lacked two U.S.-citizen parents.] In addition, one U.S. vice president (Al Gore) was born in Washington, D.C., and another (Charles Curtis) was born in the Kansas Territory. This does not necessarily mean that these officeholders or candidates were ineligible, only that there was some controversy about their eligibility, which may have been resolved in favor of eligibility.

Ted Cruz would be the first ever Presidential candidate who did not have two US citizen parents and was born overseas. Moreover, he automatically became a Canadian citizen at birth thru birthright citizenship. Cruz would be smart to get this resolved sooner rather than later. He is already being challenged legally about being on the ballot. He could face challenges elsewhere. AT THE VERY LEAST, why not get the Senate to issue a resolution like they did for McCain? This really needs to adjudicated by SCOTUS.

[Yosemitest]

"Ted Cruz would be the first ever Presidential candidate who did not have two US citizen parents and was born overseas. "

WRONG !
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF's father was a British and Kenyan Citizen and NEVER even a LEGAL IMMIGRANT of the United States.
His father was NOT an immigrant to the United States.
Barack Obama Sr. was a "Transient Alien" because he did NOT intend on residing in the United States permanently.
Barack Obama Sr. was a dual citizen of Great Britain and Kenya, and NEVER a United States Citizen.

Read British National Archives Show Son Born To Obama Sr. In 1961 In Kenya!

His mother could NOT impart U.S. citizen to her son, Barack Obama II, because she did NOT meet the legal requirements to do so, at the time her son was born IN the Coast Provincial General Hospital, MOMBASA, KENYA at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961.
Democrats knew this and tried to eliminate the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement at least 8 times BEFORE Obama won his election in 2008.

Obama is NOT a United States Citizen, and is NOT a LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
He has no VISA allowing him into this country.
Barack Hussein Obama II IS ILLEGAL !
He should be IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY, tried for TREASON, SENTENCED to death, and then have his body deported back to Kenya.

TED CRUZ has no "issue" !
Get the Senate to resolve it ?
They're about as useful today as a broken toggle switch from Radio Shack.

Listen to a REAL Constitution Scholar and LAWYER !

MARK LEVIN explains that Ted Cruz IS a natural born citizen ( 7:29 )

[kabar]

Cruz father did not become a US citizen until 2005. He was in the same circumstance as Obama except Obama was born in the US of an Amcit mother. Obama had citizenship from his mother and from being born on US soil. Cruz was born overseas and his father was not a US citizen. Moreover Cruz was born with dual citizenship since Canada has birthright citizenship. Cruz did not renounce his Canadian citizensip until 2014.

Obama's father was here legally on a student visa.