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Why We Get Fat
YouTube ^ | Jun 29, 2012 | Gary Taubes; CTV Santa Cruz County

Posted on 11/06/2015 6:17:58 PM PST by WhiskeyX

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To: WhiskeyX
I vaguely remember doing it in the early 80s, but I wasn't diabetic then.
And even then, we only used urine strips.
121 posted on 11/07/2015 11:34:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

“I vaguely remember doing it in the early 80s, but I wasn’t diabetic then.
And even then, we only used urine strips.”

There is a problem with using ketone strips. during the brief period you are still adapting the metabolism to burn ketones, the urine strips can be effective. After you become adapted to the ketosis the ketones are being burned and start to disappear from the urine, which gives erroneous results. Blood ketone tests are necessary, and they can vary according to the type being used.


122 posted on 11/07/2015 11:44:08 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
I'm interested in just how much my meds will affect it.
With diabetes meds, once insulin shots start, usually comes blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds.
This, after time, will usually create a need for stomach meds to cut down indigestion from the other meds.
It really is a destructive cycle.
123 posted on 11/07/2015 11:49:16 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Diapason

Note, I am going to provisionally withdraw a comment I made earlier in the light of some previously unseen information. I wrote:

When the intake of calories become insufficient, the body will dissolve the proteins in the muscles of the arms, legs, buttocks, heart, and elsewhere; convert those proteins into glucose in the bloodstream, and then burn a minimal fraction of the protein derived glucose as fuel while storing as much as possible into the adipose tissues with the large stores of fat already there.

I now have a conflicting source which claims muscles and protein are conserved during starvation. I don’t know which of these conflicting sources is accurate, so I’m withdrawing the comments about the muscles and protein until this conflict in sources becomes resolved.


124 posted on 11/07/2015 1:51:59 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
That is the problem, because you are relying upon what “you know” and are disregarding what you do not know. What you do not know is the difference between a normally functioning metabolism and a metabolism which no longer functions normally.

This is becoming mundane. I have, as in your example, have known skinny diabetics as well as obese diabetics. Do you have an explanation?

125 posted on 11/07/2015 3:49:46 PM PST by Parmy
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To: MattinNJ

Any time you take in more calories than your body burns the excess is turned to fat.


126 posted on 11/07/2015 3:51:41 PM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Parmy

“This is becoming mundane. I have, as in your example, have known skinny diabetics as well as obese diabetics. Do you have an explanation?”

The obesity in Type II diabetics is caused by chronic hypernormal amounts of insulin hormone in the bloodstream, which in turn blocks the burning of body fat and results in a progressive increase of body fat and obesity. By contrast Type I Diabetes is caused by the inability of the pancreas to produce insulin, which results in elevated blood sugars without the administration of exogenous forms of insulin. When a person with Type I Diabetes takes no exogenous insulin or takes minimal amounts of insulin to maintain relatively normal levels of insulin, there may be no insulin related increases in body fat and obesity comparable to what is experienced by patients with Type II Diabetes. When a person with Type I Diabetes does take in excessive amounts of insulin, they experience increases in body fat and obesity comparable to that of patients with Type II Diabetes.


127 posted on 11/07/2015 7:23:10 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

WhiskeyX,

Please add me to your nutritional health/Greg Taubes ping list.

Thanks!


128 posted on 11/07/2015 10:04:04 PM PST by TianaHighrider (Cruz Mockingjay)
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To: WhiskeyX


Why are obesity rates higher with the advent of tv, computers, Oprah, The View, Fast Food places around every corner, affordable couches, home theaters, etc...Lifestyle plain and simple (For a very large percentage of the obese)
129 posted on 11/08/2015 3:13:37 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: goodwithagun

I have mentioned it a few times on this forum, my MD used to tell me to cut back on my egg consumption and even then only eat the whites... he is 11 years younger than I ... had a Heart Attack... my blood work over the years has been average/normal and I have never changed my diet.
Last time I saw him he asked me if I changed my diet and I told him that I had... I no longer have my own Chickens so I have to eat Store bought eggs but I am trying to cut back to 12 Beers a day (logistics... It is just more convenient to evenly divide the 24 pack).
My blood work is still average/normal and when he mentioned mine was better than his, I offered my advice ... Eat more eggs, cook them in Lard eat more Meat and only drink Cold Beer.


130 posted on 11/08/2015 8:46:01 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: jjsheridan5

**** “Something has happened in the last few decades to cause people to get a lot fatter” ****

It was called the “Food Pyramid” and Margarine.


131 posted on 11/08/2015 8:51:18 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: dearolddad

You didn’t watch the vid ... it was a major part of the vid

Lemme cut to the chase for you Fatty Acids / Triglycerides

Basically if you are the same sex and height that I am we have approx same # of fat cells ... if you are obese and I am not ... your fat cells are fatter than mine. Fatty acids can cross into a Fat Cell where they may or may not be converted into Triglycerides... Triglycerides cannot cross back through (out) of the Fat Cell without converting back to a fatty acid. The Hormone “Insulin” and a few others are the mechanics within the cells that make or regulate or? ... basically the amounts will determine the size of the fat cell.

So a Calorie is a Calorie inside of your body is not correct (although the 1st Law of Thermodynamics is still the 1st Law of Thermodynamics and still correct)
Fuel that cannot be released by a Fat Cell cannot be burnt/used therefore you can starve to death and still be measurably obese. (What was interesting is that this ability/inability of the Fat cells is normal in some respects, is sex determinant (where and how) and can manifest in some very weird ways)

Watch the vid, it was very good, worth the time, I was interrupted a few times while watching it but I did get the gist so I will probably watch it again for the parts I missed.


132 posted on 11/08/2015 9:26:44 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: TexasTransplant
Did you ever see any “fat” prisoners in the Nazi war camps?
133 posted on 11/09/2015 6:52:40 AM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: dearolddad

Nope wasn’t there, but I’ll bet they didn’t watch the vid either.


134 posted on 11/09/2015 10:23:18 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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