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Surface Book vs. MacBook Pro: It isn't twice as fast. It's three times as fast (Ruh-roh!)
PC World ^ | Oct 22, 2015 | Gordon Mah Ung

Posted on 10/22/2015 9:53:06 AM PDT by dayglored

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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
> ...Apple is pushing this big brother, services approach.

Help me out here... Apple is fundamentally a "system" manufacturer -- integrated hardware and software that are designed to work together as a (largely closed) system. Apple makes their money from the hardware aspect. The software "comes with the hardware", which is why you can't find successful Mac clones (yeah, I know about Hackintoshes).

So what is all this about a "big brother, services approach"? That sounds more like the direction Microsoft is taking, "Windows As A Service" and playing footsie with the NSA... (*cough*) not that there's anything wrong with that (*cough*).

41 posted on 10/22/2015 11:02:08 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

List of known updates, true less than Windows but not what I would call rare.


42 posted on 10/22/2015 11:03:16 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: hulagirl
> I heard you have to run Windows 10 and that it’s awful?

I don't doubt that the Surface Book only runs Windows 10.

But that's not "awful". Windows 10 is a fine OS. I don't personally like it as much as Win 7, but it's perfectly usable. I'm running it now at work and at home and it's okay. Hardly "awful".

You do have to turn off all the stuff that sends your personal data up to Microsoft Central, but it turns out that's pretty easy.

43 posted on 10/22/2015 11:04:17 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored; hulagirl
Oops, clarification required:

> ...I'm running it now at work and at home...

In virtual machines (VMs). As a learning experience.

In general, I plan to stick with Win 7 until it loses support in 2020, because I prefer its look and feel to that of Win 10.

44 posted on 10/22/2015 11:08:08 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Bidimus1

Stay off the porn sites and you will be fine.


45 posted on 10/22/2015 11:08:14 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: RoadieFan
> ...Stay off the porn sites...

Wait, isn't that what Linux boxes are for?

46 posted on 10/22/2015 11:10:56 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
Wait, isn't that what Linux boxes are for?

Hey, hey, hey--don't go dragging us into this fight.

I was enjoying this thread.

47 posted on 10/22/2015 11:14:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dayglored

Wow. Microsoft leap frogged Apple big time!


48 posted on 10/22/2015 11:15:55 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: VanDeKoik

“doesn’t work, then they can go make an appointment with a competent person to get it fixed.”

It is not more difficult to debug and fix a mac than a windows machine for a computer savvy person. I don’t recall when I last had to consult outside help (other than google) to fix my macs or my windows boxes. However my macs have failed less. Much less.


49 posted on 10/22/2015 11:21:17 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: ShadowAce
> I was enjoying this thread.

As well we should. (I'm on my CentOS box...)

50 posted on 10/22/2015 11:23:15 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

More proof what a rip-off Apple products are.


51 posted on 10/22/2015 11:23:56 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: detch

I dont really use Premiere, so I cant say. The one I’ve used to rip old VHS tapes worked just fine.

As far as graphic programs, I dont see much of a difference. 25 years ago I would have never used any on a PC, but today Photoshop runs just the same. You dont need a Mac to do any of that stuff.

It isnt the brand of the tools, it’s how competently you can use them.

And I have to do far too much work with databases. I only wish that they didnt work on any platform.


52 posted on 10/22/2015 11:25:29 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Bidimus1

Sure, but your link includes the Mac OS X, the iPhone/iPad, the Apple Watch, and some major upgrades (free, btw) and follow up things.


53 posted on 10/22/2015 11:27:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: VanDeKoik
> It isnt the brand of the tools, it’s how competently you can use them.

Well stated.

54 posted on 10/22/2015 11:28:01 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dennisw
> More proof what a rip-off Apple products are.

Have you sold your Apple stock yet?

55 posted on 10/22/2015 11:29:12 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Exactly!

As much as it is assumed that I think OSX is a “terrible” OS, I’ve never once gave an opinion of its daily functionality because I haven’t used it in over 10 years. I used to use Linux more than I used Windows back around 2008-10, and my experience wasn’t the best, so I likely will never use it again.


56 posted on 10/22/2015 11:29:22 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: ThunderSleeps

“Not going to get into this, my computer I built from parts is “fast enough.” But I do love a good show...”

I’m with you on this one...custom building is why I stick with Windows, but I have done builds with Linux. I’ll watch this Apple/MS war from a distance on my PC built on a ASUS Sabertooth 990FX motherboard, AMD FX8350 (OC to 4.7 Ghz w/Danger Den CPU waterblock), 32Gb HyperX Beast RAM(1866 Mhz), Radeon 7870 graphics, and 10K rpm Western Digital HD. Can’t do that with Apple so I have no dog in this fight.


57 posted on 10/22/2015 11:31:23 AM PDT by arielguard (You don't get credit for what you are supposed to do.)
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To: justlurking
> it's nice that Microsoft managed to cram a GPU in a laptop and keep the price down. But, you have to decide if your typical usage can take advantage of the GPU.

Speaking of GPUs, I'll bet it's a kick at mining BitCoins. :-)

58 posted on 10/22/2015 11:32:03 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

iCloud, Apple Music, Apple TV, iHealth, app Store, iPay, in-app purchases, off the top of my head. Forgetful?


59 posted on 10/22/2015 11:33:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
> Forgetful?

You have a point there. I don't use any of those other than the App Store, and tend to ignore them. My bad.

60 posted on 10/22/2015 11:39:07 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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