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1 posted on 10/15/2015 2:34:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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But it takes even more coal and gas burning to make the electricity for those Eco cars.
Unless they can self charge this is no better.


2 posted on 10/15/2015 2:36:58 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Them or Honda I’ll buy pulling it off and making it work right. Not an American automaker. Too much agenda here of the Lib kind.


3 posted on 10/15/2015 2:37:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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“Fuel cells run on hydrogen and are zero-emissions.”

Oh...must be because you can drill a hole in the ground an get pure hydrogen.

Or not.


4 posted on 10/15/2015 2:38:16 PM PDT by lacrew
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Pretty sure I'll be dead by 2050 (or, at 102, I'll be chasing those cute young 90 year olds around the the nursing home).

But go Toyota. Congrats on the long term planning.

6 posted on 10/15/2015 2:44:20 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Trump: As long as you are going to be thinking anyway...think big.)
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“Electric cars weren’t part of their vision,...”

Good grief! Fuel-cells produce electricity. Fuel-cell cars are electric cars. Hint Fox News copywriters: if you want your articles about science and technology to have any credibility, whatsoever — at least get the terminology right.

BTW, hydrogen could also be used as the fuel for combustion engines (piston, or turbine — internal or external combustion). That would be a case where a hydrogen-fueled car is not an electric car. However, every car powered by a fuel cell is an electric car.


7 posted on 10/15/2015 2:50:05 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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I’m not an engineer, but regarding fuel cells, I have the understanding that every time you convert from one form of energy to another efficiency lost?

That is, converting natural gas or coal to electricity, then using the electricity to get oxygen and hydrogen out of water, then burning the hydrogen. Not to mention spending the energy to compress the hydrogen.


9 posted on 10/15/2015 2:52:51 PM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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Here's a hydrogen vehicle:


10 posted on 10/15/2015 2:52:59 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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The cars will be powered by Unicorn farts


13 posted on 10/15/2015 2:56:57 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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Anti-gasism?


14 posted on 10/15/2015 2:58:32 PM PDT by x
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Someone needs to tell Toyota hybrids run on gasoline.

Less than 40% of American electricity is sourced from coal and it is falling.

Electricity can be sourced from Natural Gas, Wind, Nuclear, Dams(hydropower),Solar,Geo-Thermal,Tidal Wave.

BTW 90% of worlds hydrogen is sourced from natural gas/methane. In CA hydrogen at the pump is 2/3 sourced from natural gas and 1/3 sourced from solar/wind powered water electrolysis. This makes it as “clean” as the US grid.

Hydrogen cost $14/kg in CA and you get ~60 miles per kg. That is $0.23 per mile.An average electric car charging at the US average price of $0.12 per kWh cost about $0.03 per mile to run.


16 posted on 10/15/2015 3:00:23 PM PDT by Reaganez
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What happens when you have a serious accident?

Explosion or electrocution?


20 posted on 10/15/2015 3:17:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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I remember reading about Henry Ford working to create an all-Hemp vehicle. Everything, from the body of the vehicle to the fuel, would be made out of hemp.

Of course, powerful interests in both the timber and petroleum industries put the kibosch on Ford's dreams.

Now the same is happening to petroleum. It is being demonized and gradually displaced.

21 posted on 10/15/2015 3:21:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (I am going to get those guns out of peoples hands. - Hillary Clinton 10/05/2015)
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Toyota quits the car business?


29 posted on 10/15/2015 3:57:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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Absolute nonsense. Toyota execs should cut down on the ganji they are smoking.


32 posted on 10/15/2015 4:02:08 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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For extreme mileage at very low cost, a homebuilt, ultra-light, 1,200-1,500 pound, 4-cylinder, gasoline powered roadster might be one way to go for the time being. Technical inclination required and not a very comfortable way to fly, but fun, yes.


33 posted on 10/15/2015 4:12:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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