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Claim: NASA simulation indicates ancient flood volcanoes could have altered climate
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | August 10, 2015 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 10/14/2015 1:25:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is a plume of ash from the Sarychev volcano in the Kuril islands, northeast of Japan. The picture was taken from the International Space Station during the early stage of the volcano's eruption on June 12, 2009. Credits: NASA

This is a plume of ash from the Sarychev volcano in the Kuril islands, northeast of Japan. The picture was taken from the International Space Station during the early stage of the volcano’s eruption on June 12, 2009. Credits: NASA

From NASA/GODDARD SPACE FLIGHT CENTER and the “maybe they should have checked with Willis first” department comes this modeling claim:

In June, 1991, Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines exploded, blasting millions of tons of ash and gas over 20 miles high – deep into the stratosphere, a stable layer of our atmosphere above most of the clouds and weather. Certain gases in the massive plume from this volcano acted like a sunshield by scattering some of the sun’s light, preventing it from reaching the surface and causing average surface temperatures to drop worldwide by an estimated 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.9 degrees Fahrenheit).

“We’ve been trying to better understand how volcanoes alter the climate for about 30 years now,” said Lori Glaze of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. “The Mount Saint Helens eruption in 1980 (Washington state) and the El Chichon eruption in 1982 (Mexico) were both similar-sized eruptions. There wasn’t much of a climate effect after Mount Saint Helens, but after El Chichon, there was a big global cooling event for a couple years.”

“We didn’t understand why, so people started looking into that and it turned out that the El Chichon eruption included much more sulfur than Mount Saint Helens,” said Glaze.

The eruptions of El Chichon and Pinatubo were powerful enough to propel their gases into the stratosphere, which gave them the potential to alter short-term climate. “Since the stratosphere is stable, if gas in volcanic plumes gets into the stratosphere, it stays there for a long time – a couple years,” said Glaze. “Although there are many complications, the bottom line is that when these gases produce aerosols in the stratosphere, they scatter some of the sun’s radiation, which warms the stratosphere and causes a net cooling at the surface. The gas in these volcanic plumes – primarily sulfur dioxide (SO2) and hydrogen sulfide (H2S) – which doesn’t come out in large amounts — reacts to form a layer of sulfuric acid (H2SO4) in the stratosphere. This layer scatters some of the sun’s infrared radiation.”

Another type of volcano called a “flood-basalt eruption” doesn’t explode as dramatically, but dwarfs these examples with much bigger volumes of gas and lava erupted. “With eruptions like Pinatubo, you get one shot of sulfur dioxide and other gases into the stratosphere, but then the volcano is quiet for hundreds or thousands of years,” said Glaze. “With a flood-basalt eruption, you’re repeatedly ejecting these chemicals into the atmosphere over tens, hundreds, or maybe even thousands of years. Each eruption itself may not be the biggest thing you’ve ever seen, but you’re continuously supplying gas to the atmosphere over a long period time.”

There haven’t been any flood-basalt volcanic eruptions in human history, which is probably a good thing. “It’s almost unfathomable how big these lava flows are,” said Glaze. “A large part of the western part of the state of Washington is covered in 1.5 kilometers-thick (thousands of yards) lava from the Columbia River flood-basalt eruptions.” One eruption of the Columbia River basalt formation, the Roza eruption, is the focus of Glaze and her team’s analysis. It happened about 14.7 million years ago and produced about 1,300 cubic kilometers (over 300 cubic miles) of lava over an estimated period of ten to fifteen years.

Although flood-basalt eruptions were enormous, they were not as explosive as eruptions like Pinatubo. The molten rock (magma) in flood-basalt eruptions flowed easily. This allowed gas that was trapped in it to be released easily as well. This magma produces “fire-fountain” eruptions – a fountain of lava rising hundreds of meters (hundreds of yards) into the air. Often these eruptions begin along a crack in the Earth, called a fissure, up to several kilometers (a few miles) long, producing a dramatic glowing curtain of lava. Fire-fountain eruptions are seen on a smaller scale today in places like Hawaii and Mount Etna in Sicily, Italy.

A small fire fountain eruption during the 1989 eruption of Mount Etna, Italy. A plume of fragmented ash and gas rises buoyantly above the red hot lava in the fountain. Credits: Lori Glaze

A small fire fountain eruption during the 1989 eruption of Mount Etna, Italy. A plume of fragmented ash and gas rises buoyantly above the red hot lava in the fountain. Credits: Lori Glaze

The magma that powers Pinatubo-type eruptions is thicker, and flows more slowly. Gas dissolved in this thick magma can’t escape as easily, so when pressure is suddenly released at the beginning of these eruptions, it’s like popping the cork on a bottle of champagne – all the gas rushes out at once, producing an explosive eruption.

Since “fire-fountain” eruptions aren’t as explosive, scientists wonder whether the gases from them are propelled high enough to reach the stratosphere, allowing the very large fire-fountain eruptions that produced the flood basalts to potentially alter the climate. The answer depends not only on how vigorous the eruption is – taller fire fountains produce higher gas plumes – but also on where the stratosphere begins.

The boundary between the unstable lower atmosphere (troposphere) and the stable stratosphere is called the tropopause. Because warmer air expands more and rises higher than cooler air, the tropopause is highest over the equator and gradually becomes lower until it reaches its minimum height over the poles. Thus a fire-fountain plume from a volcano at high latitudes near the polar-regions has a better chance of reaching the stratosphere than one from a volcano near the equator.

The height of the boundary has also changed over time, as the contents of the atmosphere have changed. For example, carbon dioxide gas traps heat from the sun, so when there was more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, temperatures were warmer and the tropopause was higher.

The question of whether large fire-fountain eruptions can change climate was raised by a similar but much smaller-scale fire-fountain eruption in Iceland, according to Glaze. “The Laki eruption in 1783 to 1784 injected sulfur dioxide into the upper troposphere and lower stratosphere through repeated eruptions over a period of eight months, affecting climate in the northern hemisphere during 1783 and possibly through 1784,” said Glaze. Ben Franklin, living in France at the time, noticed the haze and severe winter and speculated on whether Icelandic volcanoes could have changed the weather, according to Glaze.

To answer this question, Glaze and her team applied a computer model they developed to calculate how high volcanic plumes rise. “This is the first time a model like this has been used to calculate whether the plume of ash and gas above a large fire-fountain volcano like the Roza eruption could reach the stratosphere at the time and location of the event,” said Glaze.

Her team estimated the tropopause height given the eruption’s latitude (about 45 degrees North) and the contents of the atmosphere at the time of the eruption and found that the eruption could have reached the stratosphere. Glaze is lead author of a paper on this research published August 6 in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

“Assuming five-kilometer-long (3.1 mile-long) active fissure segments, the approximately 180 kilometers (about 112 miles) of known Roza fissure length could have supported about 36 explosive events or phases over a period of maybe ten to fifteen years, each with a duration of three to four days,” said Glaze. “Each segment could inject as much as 62 million metric tons per day of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere while actively fountaining, the equivalent of about three Pinatubo eruptions per day.”

The team verified their model by applying it to the 1986 Izu-Oshima eruption, a well-documented eruption in Japan that produced spectacular fire fountains 1.6 kilometers (almost a mile) high. “This eruption produced observed maximum plume heights of 12 to 16 km (7.4 to 9.9 miles) above sea level,” said Glaze. When the team input fountain height, temperature, fissure width, and other characteristics similar to the Izu-Oshima eruption into their model, it predicted maximum plume heights of 13.1 to 17.4 km (8.1 to 10.8 miles), encompassing most of the observed values.

“Assuming the much larger Roza eruption could sustain fire-fountain heights similar to Izu-Oshima, our model shows that Roza could have sustained buoyant ash and gas plumes that extended into the stratosphere at about 45 degrees north,” said Glaze.

Although the team’s research suggests the Roza eruption had the potential to alter climate, scientists still have to search for evidence of a climate change around the time of the eruption, perhaps an extinction event in the fossil record, or indications of changes in atmospheric chemistry or sea levels, according to Glaze.

“For my personal research, I would like to take these results and look at some of the really large ancient fissure eruptions on Venus and Mars,” said Glaze. “There are other gases in volcanic plumes like water vapor and carbon dioxide. These gases don’t have significant effect on Earth because there is so much in the atmosphere already. However, on Venus and Mars, the effect of water vapor becomes very important because there is so little of it in their atmospheres. Venus is one of my favorite places to study and I want to ask if there was active volcanism on Venus today, what should we be looking for?”

The surface of Venus is hidden under a thick cloud layer, so a volcanic plume might not be visible from space, but there is the possibility that an active volcano could produce noticeable changes in atmospheric chemistry.

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The research was funded by NASA’s Planetary Geology and Geophysics program, managed by NASA Headquarters, Washington.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; epa; globalcooling; globaldimming; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; popefrancis; romancatholicism; sulfur
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Paleo Pete

I’ll have to read this again, too late int he day to absorb it all.

Interesting idea, gases released by volcanoes capable of causing climate change.

What is already known though, is volcanic activity definitely can cause major adjustments in climate, at least on a temporary basis, by producing huge ash clouds that block out sunlight. This has already been mentioned in another post, and is a verified fact.

The ash clouds produced by very large volcanic eruptions can be immense, comparable to nothing in recent human history. I think of Pompeii as a possible example. Thick layers of ash have been discovered in various areas that indicate some of the prehistoric eruptions have been like nothing we can even imagine.

One potential location is the Yellowstone Caldera, which I only recently found out about, capable of producing enough ash to cover at least 1/3 of the US. And that’s just what settles to the ground. The light weight ash that remains in the atmosphere would probably be enough to block sunlight for a long time and possibly shut down all or most plant growth in this country. That would also result in a short term decrease in temperatures that would resemble a mini ice age, which is probably already in our future due to decreased solar activity. In addition, along with this period of reduced solar activity, historically we’ve seen an increase in earthquake and volcanic activity. The one mentioned earlier in this thread I think was during one of those, the 1810 to 1815 period when the New Madrid fault in the US also produced major earthquakes. (1811 I think) I’ll have to read again and make sure I saw the date range I’m actually thinking of.

OK I decided to open it in another tab, same period. Posted by RayChuang88 in post #14, the Tambora eruption was in 1815, same time period as the New Madrid earthquake, which was in 1811. Right at the same time as world wide colder winters, generally called a mini ice age. Also associated with reduced solar activity. Those were just two instances during that period.

So an eruption of any of the caldera volcanoes discovered so far would produce enough ash to block or reduce sunlight worldwide...that can happen, remember the African dust storm a couple of years ago? I heard about it and took pictures of the fog it produced after being blown across the ocean to right here in my back yard in Texas. It looked like a foggy day, but it was actually a huge dust cloud produced by a dust storm in the Sahara. Everyone I know had serious sinus problems for a few days. If that, produced on the surface in Africa, can be blown all the way to Texas, an ash cloud from a volcano can do the same thing in the upper atmosphere.

Very interesting topic, I’ll have to read this article again later and see if I can understand a little more of it when I’m not tired out...


21 posted on 10/14/2015 6:49:55 PM PDT by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Claim: NASA simulation indicates ancient flood volcanoes could have altered climate

I stopped reading right there.

Those frauds have already proven their incompetence

22 posted on 10/14/2015 8:00:10 PM PDT by publius911 (Pissed?? You have NO idea!)
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To: TigersEye

I’d prefer they endure a Nuée ardente first.


23 posted on 10/14/2015 8:24:45 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

OK. But after that meters of lava without delay.


24 posted on 10/14/2015 9:01:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yo Ernest,
Interesting article. As I mentioned earlier to you I’m shot and consumed by needs my 99 year old mom needs me to take care off.
But do not forget to include me in your ping lists. All is under the Lord God’s Hands. I just am not in the position to respond to pings etc., as a few years back.
You take care. HIS very best to you and your loved ones.
George


25 posted on 10/14/2015 9:31:09 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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To: Auntie Dem; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; RayChuang88; Paleo Pete; Marine_Uncle; All

Franklin did indeed speculate that strange weather and atmospheric coloring might be due to Icelandic volcanism. What this article does not mention is the fact that there were serious effects on food supply in Europe, and that this may have been enough to help spark the French Revolution. The Laki Fissure event extended along a fissure of some 25 miles. Much larger that one of the “smaller” ones described above. However, not in the same league with the Deccan or Siberian Traps. The article speaks of the Columbia River “Roza” flood basalt event as being 14.7 million years ago. I, too, wondered if there had been a major extinction connected with that. I found this excellent chart of Geologic Ages, but that time falls smack in the middle of the Miocene. On the other hand the Chesapeake Meteor which left a 60 mile crater extending north from Norfolk to the middle of the Delmarva Peninsula is about 34 Ma, which seems to pretty well separate the Oligocene from the Miocene. This was no doubt helped by another 60 mile crater forming meteor in Russia and a 9 mile wide crater formed off of Toms River, NJ, both with roughly that age.

http://home.comcast.net/~cvn1813/geology/timeline/images/ICS.gif

After more than 15 years of debating whether the Yucatan Asteroid and Deccan Traps are related, this 2015 article indicates that specific scientific correlation seems to have been found.

http://earthsky.org/earth/dinosaur-killing-asteroid-caused-indias-deccan-traps

Regarding Benjamin Franklin, I found this interesting essay: “Benjamin Franklin and Slavery: A Man Ahead of His Times” by Frank Cronin. This is a fascinating presentation of Ben Franklin’s life, the kind of advanced and liberal thinkers he associated with, his printing of controversial anti-slavery material at his shop, and near the end of his life active participation in Abolitionist efforts in the US. The views and conflicts of the times are well covered, and the complex web of labor force presented.

http://www.austincc.edu/history/cronin.html


26 posted on 10/15/2015 12:10:53 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Paleo Pete; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; All

I have been interested in volcanoes since childhood, when my father showed me the National Geographic article about the creation of Paracutin Volcano out of a Mexican cornfield. How amazing was that!!! Before he died he drafted a novel imagining a major eruption of Yellowstone. Unfortunately, it needs too much editing to print, but I expanded my knowledge of Yellowstone’s history and capabilities. Maybe some day I will rewrite it. Here is a USGS article on Yellowstone with two useful maps that can be enlarged by clicking on the map. One shows the distribution of the three big explosions, 640,000 ya, 1.3 Mya, and 2.1 Mya. This map also shows the ashspread of a major explosion of Long Valley which occurred 760,000 ya.

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/yellowstone/yellowstone_sub_page_91.html

This link to Long Valley information has several interesting graphics, including one comparing the volume of various large and huge volcanic eruptions. The Long Valley ash fall was larger than the smallest of the 3 great Yellowstone blasts, but not as big as the second largest.

http://www.dpc.ucar.edu/earthscopeVoyager/JVV_Jr/didyouknow/lvcVolcanoes.html

I have noticed a pattern of increased earth rupturing activity which seems to run for about 30 years and in the past few centuries has been repeated at 90 to 100 year intervals. New Madrid and Tambora seemed to be at the end of a period that started with the Laki Fissure event in Iceland in 1783. Another started with Krakatoa in 1883 and ended with Katmai in Alaska, 1912. I need to go to bed soon so will not fill in the other between events. I will mention that New Madrid had 3 giant earthquakes separated by months in 1811 and 1812, dozens of major quakes and hundreds of lesser quakes. There was also a major quake in Caracas, Venezuela in 1812 that killed 20,000 people.


27 posted on 10/15/2015 12:55:53 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Thanks for the ping and associated URL links. I shall book this post and review a bit later. My brain is in “fry mode”,
currently. You will understand my comments more so as you read the mail response I provided for you.

But. I keep my mind open to good reasoning as how climate change can go in short and longer term new sets of conditions.

Obvious to you, we have known for a long time as how major
volcanic eruptions can effect local and sometimes near global variations in temperatures, In-farad levels entering the various levels with the atmosphere, that can alter slight land/sea temperature ranges etc..
Such complex chemical and physics to figure out with some level of honest accuracy if I may.
You take care Glee.


28 posted on 10/15/2015 7:43:04 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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