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Pope Francis, "Jesus dying on the cross was a failure" [Revelation 13]
9/25/2015 | Jan Sobieski

Posted on 09/26/2015 11:31:49 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

The greatly heralded Pope Francis, beneficiary of 24 hour news coverage from all news networks, has once again given us insight into his inner self in a sermon at St Patrick's Cathedral in New York City (Transcript of Sermon) . After starting the service, Pope Francis gave a heart warming shout-out to his "religion of peace", “Muslim brothers and sisters” when he said this:

“I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters: Firstly, my greetings as they celebrate the feast of sacrifice.”

The Pope clearly understands that for the last 1400 years, Islam has held that Christians and Jews are not brothers and sisters, but rather infidels worthy of death. Islam's god, Allah, states in Surah 19 of the Koran that he has no son. To say so is blasphemy against Allah and his prophet, Mohammed. However, despite what Muslims believe, the Chrislamic Pope Francis has demanded that the Christian nations in Europe and America receive all Muslim "al hijrah" immigrants, while the Vatican has the strictest immigration policy on earth. Perhaps the syncretic Pope believes that by paying obeisance to Islam he can bring the irrational religion under his cognitive dissonant sphere of influence? His later words in the sermon seem to dignify the Islamic view of Jesus' failure on the cross when he stated:

"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.

The Bible foretells in Revelation 13 that in the last days before the return of Jesus, an international religious figure will rise on the scene. The religious figure will look like a self-sacrificing, philanthropist. A real lover of man and the earth! He will appear harmless as a lamb, but when he speaks, he speaks like a ravenous dragon. He may feign faith in Christ, but in reality will direct everyone to worship another political figure who will be promoted to help solve the world's problems. Somehow this religious figure is so intertwined with politics and the economic system, he is able to promote a new worldwide economic order where all must have the the political figure's mark on their person in order to purchase, and to show loyalty to the "new world system". The Bible is also clear that whoever receives this "mark" will be damned to hell, with no hope of redemption.

I am not sure if Pope Francis IS this religious figure. If not, he is certainly a wonderful forerunner. Every time he opens his mouth, he continues his foray into the world political and economic orders and his consistent promotion of homosexuality, Allah as God of the Bible, and Marxism/Socialism betraying his "inner dragon"...

Victory in Jesus, by Eugene Monroe Bartlett, Sr.

I heard an old, old story
How a Savior came from glory
How He gave His life on Calvary
To save a wretch like me
I heard about His groaning
Of His precious blood's atoning
Then I repented of my sins
And won the victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood

I heard about His healing
Of His cleansing pow'r revealing
How He made the lame to walk again
And caused the blind to see
And then I cried, "Dear Jesus
Come and heal my broken spirit,"
And somehow Jesus came and brought
To me the victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood

I heard about a mansion
He has built for me in glory
And I heard about the streets of gold
Beyond the crystal sea
About the angels singing
And the old redemption story
And some sweet day I'll sing up there
The song of victory

O victory in Jesus
My Savior, forever
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him
He plunged me to victory
Beneath the cleansing flood!


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: catholicism; epa; falseprophet; globalwarminghoax; islam; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism; vatican
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To: Chaguito
Why can’t people see that, humanly speaking, the crucifixion was indeed a failure.

Because it wasn't a failure...Perhaps the disciples at the time thought it to be a failure but they learned better and we know better...

Your pope did not say the disciples thought it was a failure but they were wrong...He let it go that the Crucifixion was a failure, period...And he couldn't be more wrong...

181 posted on 09/26/2015 6:18:23 PM PDT by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Ann Archy; SkyPilot
What do you call your male parent?

While he is a father, we call him dad...

182 posted on 09/26/2015 6:21:45 PM PDT by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Isn’t the Christian view that Christ’s death was a success? His death accomplished Christ’s mission of providing atonement — sacrifice and satisfaction — for the sins of the world? Christ’s death was “mission accomplished.” Didn’t he even said so from the cross — “it is finished”, i.e., it is completed?

Maybe people on this thread are being overly analytical and critical of some casual words by the pope, but there’s a lot of pent up frustration among conservatives over what this guy did and didn’t say during his visit. All I know is that Eleanor Clift was in ecstacy about the pope on the McLaughlin Show this week. And I don’t think it’s because she and other liberals heard a message of conversion to orthodox Catholicism.


183 posted on 09/26/2015 7:57:46 PM PDT by WilliamIII (The)
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To: smartyaz
The failure of Pope Francis rest in promoting Marxism as the solution for the problems that afflict the world when that diabolic ideology is the culprit of the worst crimes against humanity in history.

WE SAW IN CUBA THE REAL POPE BERGOGLIO

In his first address in Philadelphia Pope Francis centered on freedom, but in Cuba Francis showed his hypocrisy and lack of morals when not a single time pronounced the words liberty or freedom. In Cuba we saw the real Pope Bergoglio. While the Pope brags to be the voice of the poor and the oppressed in Cuba he was the voice of the oppressors. Francis visited American prisoners in U.S.; but in Cuba the Pope didn’t want to be a witness to the world on the infra-human conditions in which the Cuban political prisoners live.

Francis beg for a meeting with Fidel Castro with was described by the Vatican as very friendly and familiar while he did not accept to receive a representation of the pacific dissidents of the Stalinist regime who are the true voice of the enslaved Cuban people. At the end of the meeting with Castro the Pope expressed publicly his deep appreciation for the genocide of the Cuban people who after 56 years make a country that had the higher standard of living in Latin America in 1959 to the poorest and most oppressed in the history of this hemisphere.

As professor Carlos Eire stated: "As Newsweek has observed, seventeen years ago in his homily in Havana, John Paul II mentioned “freedom” seventeen times and “justice” thirteen times. In his homily, Francis did not mention “freedom” or “justice” once. All that Francis said about Cubans was that they are “a people which has its wounds, like every other people.” In other words, Francis told Cubans that they are no worse off than any other people on earth after fifty-six years of economic and political repression, and that they really have nothing to complain about. The closest he came to upbraiding the Castro regime or to calling for an end to the enslavement of the Cuban people was to say: “service is never ideological, for we do not serve ideas, we serve people.”

184 posted on 09/26/2015 8:57:30 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Humanly speaking, that first Easter weekend, that was entirely true. The apostles and disciples, between the crucifixion and when they met the risen Lord and he explained it to them, were not looking at their leader dying a painful death on the cross as a glorious triumph of good over evil, God over Satan, and they behaved accordingly, like frightened sheep. The guys on the road to Emmaus, explicitly, said they thought it was a failure. And for the human end they had in mind before Jesus set them straight, it was a failure.
185 posted on 09/26/2015 9:17:58 PM PDT by RichInOC (...Sarah Jane DeCamp, August 29, 1937-September 16, 2015, R.I.P.)
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To: WilliamIII

This Pope churns out lies from morning to night.

His statement that, humanly speaking, the death of Christ constituted “failure” is not one of them.

The people trying to make hay out of this particular statement are revealing themselves to be anti-Catholic bigots and hysterics.


186 posted on 09/27/2015 2:15:32 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Oh please Arthur. The Cross was the greatest victory in human history, with the victory belonging to Jesus Christ. It is described specifically in those terms in the Bible. Paul wrote of the Cross as this. Either “papa” was trying to dismiss Christ’s victory over sin, death, Hell, and Satan before this primarily Muslim audience, or he is completely ignorant of the foundation of Christendom. The charges of “Catholic bigotry” thrown about these days have the same moral standing as gangs shouting “Black Lives Matter” during riots.


187 posted on 09/27/2015 4:03:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
HOLY CRAP.

THIS GUY IS THE ANTI-POPE.

It seems these really are the end times.

188 posted on 09/27/2015 4:10:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: P-Marlowe
To call the cross a failure is to Call Jesus Christ a failure. This is blasphemy no matter how you slice it.

More -- since Jesus dying on the Cross was GOD'S plan, the Anti-Pope just called GOD a failure.

This is breathtaking blasphemy.

189 posted on 09/27/2015 4:12:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
His statement that, humanly speaking, the death of Christ constituted “failure” is not one of them.

Yes it is. Christ's death was God's plan, and is our redemption.

To call Chris's death "failure" is to directly call God's plan failure.

190 posted on 09/27/2015 4:13:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Chaguito
Why can’t people see that, humanly speaking, the crucifixion was indeed a failure.

Humanly speaking, the crucifixion of Christ was our redemption.

That's not a failure, no matter how you slice it. It was God's PLAN.

Heck, Jesus knew it was coming and petitioned His Father for a revision, in the Garden, until He realized it was the plan.

Don't call it a failure, bro. You PC, bro?


191 posted on 09/27/2015 4:17:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: chemical_boy

It was the Plan of God the Father for God the Son to die on the Cross and foretold in the Psalms.


192 posted on 09/27/2015 4:27:43 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Lazamataz
Amen Laz.
193 posted on 09/27/2015 5:15:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: chemical_boy
The big question is, was it preordained that Jesus had to die on the cross?

Yup.

194 posted on 09/27/2015 5:39:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The people trying to make hay out of this particular statement are revealing themselves to be anti-Catholic bigots and hysterics.

When you know you have lost the argument, you can always shut down the discussion by calling your opponent a bigot.

Sorry Padre. You lose.

195 posted on 09/27/2015 6:18:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Tagline pending.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Lazamataz; SkyPilot

All three of you have distorted what the Pope said, in order to make it absurd and heretical. That is the evidence that you are bigots.

The Pope said that HUMANLY SPEAKING, the death of Jesus was “failure.” That is, he DIED, and IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, that is defeat, or failure.

The WHOLE POINT of Christ’s suffering and death was that it was, IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD, and IN A CERTAIN RESPECT, a defeat at the hands of a SINFUL WORLD. The DEVIL and the WORLD had a TEMPORARY VICTORY. Every Christian theologian who has ever lived has called Christ’s death a temporary victory for a sinful world over the Son of God.

You have all twisted the Pope’s statement, claiming that the Pope said that Christ’s death was IN ALL RESPECTS a failure.

You are all anti-Catholic bigots, and the evidence of your bigotry is in black-and-white, in your posts. You can never erase it.


196 posted on 09/27/2015 6:31:21 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: caww; Arthur McGowan; Lazmataz
The Pope may actually believe that Jesus’ failed as a human being. He did not fulfill his mission in his human form… the sacrifice his body as a living sacrifice for the the sins of the world. If he really does believe this, he is Satan’s puppet and not God’s servant.

If your understanding of Jesus' mission was political instead of spiritual, then the statement makes sense. Apparently this left wing political hack Pope thinks like Judas did; that Jesus came to be a political leader and to set up a political paradise and the cross cut his mission short.

If you hold a secular view of Christ (as apparently this Pope does) then you have to conclude that since Jesus didn't end poverty and bring peace and stop climate change, that Jesus was a failure and idiots like the Pope have taken up the cause to fix what Jesus couldn't.

When you take that statement in context of Frank's sermons on leftist politics, it becomes clear that Pope anti-Christ really thinks his mission is to do what Jesus was incapable of doing.

197 posted on 09/27/2015 6:34:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Tagline pending.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
LOL


198 posted on 09/27/2015 6:34:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

You go RIGHT AHEAD and back this Marxist, anti-Christian scumbag. LOL!


199 posted on 09/27/2015 6:35:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
PS: Catholicism is just fine. Hell, I was an Altar Boy myself, though I left the Catholic denomination in adulthood.

But THIS GUY, he's not a Pope. He's a Community Organizer in a funny hat.

200 posted on 09/27/2015 6:37:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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