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IMHO #1 and #2 can not be over stated. Until modern plumping and water purification one of the largest killers in the world was water borne illness and still is in the 3rd world. #6 Looters, thieves and killers don't always look like zombies or yutes. Some can and will be neighbors and acquaintances. Also watch for those who are ardent anti-preppers not only will they want your stuff they will want revenge because you was right and they will blame you for it. And they won't all be flaming liberals.
1 posted on 09/23/2015 4:02:29 PM PDT by Kartographer
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If you live in the northern climes No. 3 is a good chance. If you haven’t stockpiled fuel and live in populated areas spare wood will be gone pretty fast. In fact sticking it out in a populated area if the event lasts more than a few months is a low probability survival event.


34 posted on 09/23/2015 4:20:34 PM PDT by AU72
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11. You die because you are so screwed.


35 posted on 09/23/2015 4:20:43 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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So that's how you'll die.  Now, here's ----



41 posted on 09/23/2015 4:23:14 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Eagles fan after loss to Dallas -- This is the first time I ever saw the "prevent offense".)
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Here’s one for those trying to kill me or my kind ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV98FmMMKBw


45 posted on 09/23/2015 4:24:12 PM PDT by soycd
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All preppers will die also. Focus more on the life to come than this transient existence.


51 posted on 09/23/2015 4:27:18 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Islam is a cancer on civilization.)
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Hmmmm...looks like no one is factoring in the help of God.

:-0


55 posted on 09/23/2015 4:30:30 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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1. You die of thirst or waterborne illness.
(Sawyer Water filter)
2. You die from fantasy-world planning.
(Tough one to G2)
3. You freeze to death.
(Gonna be damn cold for a few months without heat, but survivable)
4. You starve to death.
(Gonna take a while to use up our stores)
5. You have an accident involving major trauma.
(SOL, that’s life)
6. You get murdered when raiders or looters come to steal your stuff.
(Well armed, but no guarantees of course. Except that I won’t die alone)
7. You get sick.
(see #5)
8. You get an infection.
( cipro lasts indefinitely kept refrigerated as does a MRSA cream. My doctor has given me scripts for both. Still, roll the dice)
9. You die because you are fat and/or out of shape.
(Decent shape for my age, but I’m not running. I plan on being surrounded by brass when I die)
10. You die when you daily medication runs out.
(18 months stashed. After that, well if things haven’t improved it’ll be time to even some scores on the way out)


60 posted on 09/23/2015 4:34:13 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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I always chuckle at #9. There are always survivalist wannabes at the local gun shop. Once they were talking about their bug out bags. I asked them how many times they walked ten miles with those beauties.

They looked at me as if I had rocks in my head.

I am not rucking an 80 pound pack any more. But I can walk ten miles off road without dying.


67 posted on 09/23/2015 4:39:33 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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I have lots of water and filters as well as humid air drip source in Florida.

Realist, not fantasy plans.

Warm enough, cool enough to survive.

Long term food supply.

Accidents are just that...plan to survive and be prepared.

Safe room and lots of ammo to defend myself.

Sickness and infection may get beyond my control...but haven’t been to a DR in years.

I am not out of shape...and carry enough weight to last a short time.

No medication of any kind needed.

I have decided I will die of boredom when the books run out...with nothing to do, no place to go and no one to talk to! COULD BE WORSE I GUESS!


70 posted on 09/23/2015 4:41:57 PM PDT by 3D-JOY (Time to donate. Please do not ignore it! Monthly is best and easiest!)
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SSKI is the answer to water sanitation issues.

A tiny bottle will last a year for most people.


72 posted on 09/23/2015 4:43:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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Thank you so much! I want this in my ping list to go back & reference. With all the different posts & links I feel like I hit the motherlode of things to think about & check out. Again, thank you!!!


73 posted on 09/23/2015 4:44:03 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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1. You die of thirst or waterborne illness.
Katadyn Pocket Water Microfilter for about $250 has a lifetime capacity of perhaps 12,000 gallons on a single filter. If you have any water, that makes it drinkable until order is restored or you have time to find a substitute. [There are cheaper homemade options http://www.cdc.gov/safewater/sand-filtration.html , but this is easy.]

2. You die from fantasy-world planning.
The best protection here is practice. I eat from my stored food regularly, even the #10 cans with a 30-year shelf life. I open at least one of each type can each year and use it in meals. I have a garden that I eat from every year. I cannot grow enough to feed myself for a year, not with my other activities, but I know how to garden where I live. I chop firewood every year. Not enough to heat the house for the winter, but enough to know I could. For now. I have books on edible plants in my area, but only as a last resort. And I have eaten several of the most abundant. [mostly yuck, but occasionally tasty]

3. You freeze to death.
I’ll set up a tent inside the house, if necessary, plus I have firewood.

4. You starve to death.
I’m good there for a very extended period. Unlike water, which I have to get and purify, I have more than a reasonable amount of food. I like the LDS prices, quality, and shelf life. https://providentliving.lds.org/self-reliance/food-storage/home-storage-center-order-form?lang=eng I count calories and measure my food by how many 2,000 calorie days worth of stored food we have. I could eat more in demanding times or go on short rations to stretch the stored food, but I assume 2,000 a day for planning purposes.

5. You have an accident involving major trauma.
First aid training, supplies, and practice are all I can do.

6. You get murdered when raiders or looters come to steal your stuff.
I’m in trouble there - boating accident. At least I have a neighborhood map with notations on who the decent people are and who supports Obama. It’s nice to know who the likely allies are.

7. You get sick.
I have a generous supply of soap, medicines, and wipes. I’ll add prayer and hope for the best.

8. You get an infection.
See #7.

9. You die because you are fat and/or out of shape.
I walk or run at least a 5k almost every day, without resting. For those who cannot do that, I recommend getting a pedometer and increasing your distance no more than 10% per week until you feel confident in at least adequate fitness.

10. You die when you daily medication runs out.
No one in my family does daily medications. Yet.

My plan: Die of bad luck, die from something creative instead of sticking to the top ten list, or die of old age. I’ll be happy to go home to God, but I am in no hurry to do so.


82 posted on 09/23/2015 4:47:39 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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It seems the lucky ones will die. The unlucky live..


84 posted on 09/23/2015 4:48:03 PM PDT by Original Lurker
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Sohhhh, yer saying, death will definitely kill you???


101 posted on 09/23/2015 4:54:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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11. Your own government kills you.


107 posted on 09/23/2015 4:58:25 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama's Iran nuclear deal - The Devil is in the details.)
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Since 9/11, I've always kept a pack hidden in a closet with a water purifier, some extra filters, plastic water bottles, medication and antibiotics, Vaseline, first aid supplies, a small stove and fuel, some cookware & cups, some freeze dried food, salt, sugar, tabasco, a small AM/FM/SW radio, a Yaesu waterproof handheld VHF/UHF radio transceiver, 2 FRS/GMRS radios, batteries, a tarp, two lights, candles, matches & fire starters, cord and piano wire, a compass, coffee and tea, soap, shampoo, some wash cloths, razors, a Leatherman knife and tools, a KABAR, compact binoculars, gloves, and last, but not least, a Baretta Bobcat and 200 rounds of stingers.

Despite all that, it's neither a large nor heavy back.

108 posted on 09/23/2015 4:58:28 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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Number 9 and number 4 can’t both be right. It’s not like the when the SHTF that suddenly wind sprints are going to be mandatory and all fat people are going to keel over from heart attacks. Fat is just calorie storage, not that most people will stay fat that long in a true SHTH scenario, but the fat will have an short term advantage.


109 posted on 09/23/2015 5:01:39 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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If I live long enough to run out, # 10 will get me. When I run out of thyroid pills, I’ll just run down and die.


143 posted on 09/23/2015 5:49:45 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (''Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small''~ Theodore Dalrymple)
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If the whiskey don’t kill me, I’ll live ‘til I die.


144 posted on 09/23/2015 5:50:44 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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Water, and sanitation. Sanitation prevents the spread of diseases, when it works right.


154 posted on 09/23/2015 6:05:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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