Posted on 09/03/2015 12:43:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Did I hear Rush say that we should be willing to vote for Trump even with all of his baggage and left leaning positions and support for Democrats!?
He said the RNC told us to support McCain and Romney (and I think he threw Bush in there) so we should have no trouble supporting Trump.
That's some kind of rallying cry for conservatives.
So would someone please tell me what Trump stands for (other than saying he'll build the fence and deport gang members), and why (other than you want to believe that he has changed) why anyone would trust him.
I'll give you 2 reasons why I know Donald Trump finds it easy and appropriate to lie. (Current history - I'll leave the long, documented list of his liberal ideological positions aside for this exercise, along with Trump's long, documented list of his support for elected Democrat leaders.)
1. He lied (more than once despite it having been proven a lie) that Wisconsin was doing poorly and that it was because of Scott Walker.
2. He lied about a Walker supporter coming to him asking to take him on to his campaign because he wanted to leave Walker.
And here is a third because it is about FReepers willing to repeat lies about candidates to promote their candidate.
If you believe that your candidate is the best thing for the country, then there should be NO REASON to actively spam threads of other candidates with lies.
Your turn.
Isnt that the same...THE VERY SAME...logic that has resulted in a RINO dominated GOP? That elected Mitch and Jonbon? Yes it is.
Mitch McConnell and John Boehner were both re-elected while in strong leadership positions. They held the home court advantage as powerful incumbents. People like that are hard to unseat.
Here in Texas, we elected Ted Cruz to the Senate over a sitting Lt. Governor who had the whole establishment party machine backing him. Then again, they were both running for an open seat. There's a difference between that sort of race, and the ones that Boehner and McConnell won.
I'm with you where it comes to explaining the mindset of the voters in Kentucky and Ohio. I mean, WTF, over. I can guarantee you, if I lived in either of those states, I would have voted for the conservative challenger, even if it looked like he might not make it. Congressional races can sometimes come down to just a few thousand votes, so it's well worth it to swim against the tide.
Your guy just might win, if you do.
Now, national elections can be close, too. Look at Bush vs Gore in 2000. If four million Republican voters had stayed home, like they did in 2012, Gore would have won.
Fast forward to the present and we're analyzing the current primary race - not the general. For several reasons, our number one pick isn't drawing anywhere near the level of support that the flamboyant outsider is. A lot of us think it's because:
1. He's only been on the national stage for three years.
2. He's seen as a hardline right-winger by many moderates and left-of-center voters.
3. He's committed three or four unforced errors since entering the race, which has greatly softened his support on the right.
4. He's being weighed against the perceived strengths of the front-runner, and is coming up short in voters' eyes.
5. He's fighting for oxygen like every other candidate.
6. He's consistently in the middle of the pack in polling.
For better or worse, this is all simply the way it is. Tens of millions of minds are rolling this over and are spitting out the results of their individual analyses in poll after poll. Over the last two months, we've begun to see a clear pattern, and unless something drastic happens, the numbers are going to be pretty similar til the voting starts (or folks start dropping out).
Again, we need to remember that we're talking about a primary race - not a general election. We're all still examining the candidates and judging them by their performances on the campaign trail, as well as their policy statements and records.
I know how you feel about Cruz. I do too. I'd like to see him as our president, but I've looked hard at this, and have concluded that it's not his time. Not yet. Perhaps after serving another four to eight years in Washington. Quite honestly, he needs to build a rep that's deep and wide enough to clinch the nomination. He's got to build a power base. I think he'll do that in another four to eight years.
I want to be wrong. I want Trump to put us on the right path to fixing this mess. I also want a pony.
Heh. At least you haven't lost your sense of humor :-)
It’s either laugh of cry. And you know what a positive guy I am. A veritible human ray of sunshine. Glass half full! (Filled with strychnine but half full...)
;)
True. Got some Koolaid handy? I need to clear my head of conservative thoughts.
Purity and principle are of the devil
/s
Why, someone just informed me of that very thing...in so many words, LOL.
Moderates on parade. Just don’t dare question the conservatism they threw away like last weeks garbage. Because...you know... Again.
I went to Amazon to read reviews of Trump's book, "Time To Get Tough", where he outlines his overall policy positions. I've heard very good things about it here on FR.
You might want to take a look. There's a lot more to Trump than twitter insults and braggadocious chest thumping.
http://www.amazon.com/Time-Get-Tough-Making-America/dp/B0078XP51G
Related thread on FR with 62 replies:
No need. I have heard enough of his own words and read enough about his history to be well aware of where he stands. And to know where I stand in relation. They arent similar. I’ll stick with conservative values/principles.
Come on, man. That's not the Norm I know. You aren't seriously going to stick your fingers in your ears like that, are you?
Go on and read the reviews. Check out the thread I linked in my last post. Give the man a fair hearing before shutting him out. If you still find yourself in major disagreement with him, at least it'll be an honest position.
Windy, when did the norm you know -ever- not do his homework thoroughly before taking a position?
Great post, Windflier. I would add that the MSM is deliberately not mentioning Cruz when they discuss the primary.Even Fox never mentioned his name during the post debate summary. They are afraid of Trump, but lose sleep over Cruz.
“Or tip Guam over.”
LOL....and they let this brain-dead lunatic stay in Congress.
Have we hit 28 feet yet?
280 more like.
Ping me when we reach the top of the Empire State building : )
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