[roamer_1]

Thank you for your excellent reply.

[roamer_1:] IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

And such scouting is ridiculous to depend upon. When an enemy has unqualified battlefield dominance, and unlimited resources in either engagement or pursuit, you don't try to beat it. It simply makes no sense as a serendipitous outcome.

My observation serves to indicate motive, whether there was premeditation in fact: If one assumes (for the argument)that this battle was a planned event, one does not engage without a cost assessment and an exit strategy, neither of which can ignore the force-majeure which obviously surrounds your forces and commands not only the field, but the way out. These clubs will inherently have battlefield brass, and recon personnel capable of sniper and flanking capability...

The LEOs report returning fire, but do not report any attempted flank maneuver, or fire from behind their lines... Harassment which would be the only means of opening an escape route (failed or otherwise). That indicates to me that there was no serious planning.

Add to that the fact that these guys brought their women, that some came not wearing their cuts, and that many of the members of the main clubs involved were out of place (inside eating burgers and quaffing beers), and I find no indication of premeditation at all.

That the brawl happened seems to be without question, but I think it caught everyone by surprise.

[AMDG&BVMH]

“caught everyone by surprise”

not quite everyone, and those who knew or who can be presumed to have known, allowed their compatriots (along with their wives) to be drawn in to a dangerous situation, unnecessarily. Was it for “show of force”? to bring the unaware into the field of battle? or what else? I don’t know.

[Robert Teesdale]

It's a pleasure to have a serious reply instead of the more usual digital ejaculations of the troll base.

My observation serves to indicate motive, whether there was premeditation in fact: If one assumes (for the argument)that this battle was a planned event, one does not engage without a cost assessment and an exit strategy, neither of which can ignore the force-majeure which obviously surrounds your forces and commands not only the field, but the way out. These clubs will inherently have battlefield brass, and recon personnel capable of sniper and flanking capability...

This is one of the things that do not make sense. It presents as an abandonment of reasonable procedure. I gather that fuckups and other stupidities happen, but this should have been obvious from the moment anyone rolled into the parking lot. Armored cars and shock troops are not the same thing as a couple of squad cars getting their Sunday fill of tits and donuts, especially when the area's been turned into a visual recording studio. The air should have been lit up with "WTF dude I don't like this" from the get go.

The LEOs report returning fire, but do not report any attempted flank maneuver, or fire from behind their lines... Harassment which would be the only means of opening an escape route (failed or otherwise). That indicates to me that there was no serious planning.

I concur. The firefight has all the elements of a successful ambush conducted by a larger surrounding force upon a much smaller element not in array or readiness.

Add to that the fact that these guys brought their women, that some came not wearing their cuts, and that many of the members of the main clubs involved were out of place (inside eating burgers and quaffing beers), and I find no indication of premeditation at all.

I wholeheartedly agree, with a single caveat.

Were I investigating this as a club officer, or merely as an interested patriot looking for a motivating hand - I would be asking questions about that rolled-over foot in the parking lot. I have reviewed no evidence nor have I read any statements other than it appears that foot initiated the entire chain of events. At the end of that chain of events, nine are dead and over a score wounded and mass arrests and the entire frustrating, enraging, tragic and murderous spectacle is a fait accompli.

If I wished to instigate such an outcome - whether I were a cynical law enforcement agent or an ambitious club officer or a desperate informant or any other entity - a foot like that is precisely how I would trigger it. Reliable, tiny, adjustable, provocative, predictable, deniable, reasonable, achievable, recoverable, believable.

That the brawl happened seems to be without question, but I think it caught everyone by surprise.

Everyone but a few people.

We don't know who they are yet. But someone is gratified with obtaining perhaps not everything they wanted, but enough of what they needed.