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Good post. Another thing confirmed in this report, and the single most curious factor in the case of what went on that day is that this man saw police positions going in... It has never made any sense to me that a premeditated and intentional rumble would go forward within a virtual fishbowl with LEOs around the perimeter.

Nor that an unexpected and lethal outbreak of unchecked ego would take place in such circumstances, thanks to your next point:

Bikers, as a rule, are not fools... many of them having served in war, and many more having experienced less than favorable treatment with law enforcement... This guy was sharp enough to be uncomfortable with what he saw as a flanking movement by the Bandidos - It seems incredibly unlikely to me that he and others would not be just as keenly aware of those LEO positions, and their very qualified dominance over the battlefield in that parking lot.

It smells.

IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

And such scouting is ridiculous to depend upon. When an enemy has unqualified battlefield dominance, and unlimited resources in either engagement or pursuit, you don't try to beat it. It simply makes no sense as a serendipitous outcome.

It is far more likely that any such premeditated action would be called off to await a day with better odds. I know that if I had rolled up there, and saw such a presence, my radar would be screaming at me, and I would have rolled right on by (as proven on several occasions in my life). It makes no sense at all.

I also. You don't survive past your twenties without developing some sort of survival radar. If you are on a motorcycle often you learn quickly not to squid around. If you are a veteran, you also learn not to be stupid when arrayed forces are determinative. And all three put together tends to obviate the outcome we saw on May 17th.

There is a full story, that much is a given. Ultimately more will come out.

“There is a full story, that much is a given. Ultimately more will come out. “

Every story that has come out so far validates a biker gang war and bikers killing bikers.

But more will come out.

Videos will come out.

More testimony will come out.

And more deniers will still deny.

Biker after Biker have stated that the bikers started the shooting and killing.

Bikers and families have stated that the police acted responsibly and probably saved lives that day.

And the dudes here with personal interest in biker gangs still deny.

Thank you for your excellent reply.

[roamer_1:] IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

And such scouting is ridiculous to depend upon. When an enemy has unqualified battlefield dominance, and unlimited resources in either engagement or pursuit, you don't try to beat it. It simply makes no sense as a serendipitous outcome.

My observation serves to indicate motive, whether there was premeditation in fact: If one assumes (for the argument)that this battle was a planned event, one does not engage without a cost assessment and an exit strategy, neither of which can ignore the force-majeure which obviously surrounds your forces and commands not only the field, but the way out. These clubs will inherently have battlefield brass, and recon personnel capable of sniper and flanking capability...

The LEOs report returning fire, but do not report any attempted flank maneuver, or fire from behind their lines... Harassment which would be the only means of opening an escape route (failed or otherwise). That indicates to me that there was no serious planning.

Add to that the fact that these guys brought their women, that some came not wearing their cuts, and that many of the members of the main clubs involved were out of place (inside eating burgers and quaffing beers), and I find no indication of premeditation at all.

That the brawl happened seems to be without question, but I think it caught everyone by surprise.