Wisconsin Ping!
Posted on 08/02/2015 9:37:36 AM PDT by conservativejoy
Edited on 08/02/2015 11:15:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Hmm. On the one hand Trump is probably right (I have no direct knowledge of it). On the other hand, that is probably standard operating procedure in every state. They always spend more than they get no matter what.
As for flip-flopping, I can take minor flip-flops as simply a change of mind. Fundamental flip-flops just before an election I see as fraud. On Common Core, I am not overly alarmed. The schools have long been the playground of liberals. So to me, the have much bigger problems than just CC.
I am not an expert on Walker. What I have seen makes me think he is weak in areas important to me. I want someone who will stand up for the issues most important to me. But Walker is not all bad. That said, Trump’s strength is that he thinks like a businessman and so all the government spending and borrowing without any thought to the bottom line looks ridiculous to him.
I read that Trump also criticized Walker for doing away with public workers’ union “rights”. I get the impression that whenever Trump is criticized or wants to go after someone, he throws everything he can think of at them, including the kitchen sink.
My pet conspiracy theory still holds that Trump wants Hillary or Bush to be president, so he is in the race to take the anti-Bush votes in the primaries.
You heard it here first. ;-)
C’mon. When Trump goes all-in for something like this, he doesn’t do it for someone else.
My first comment was about the Trump quote excerpt posted. I clicked on the article so I want to comment on the schools specifically.
It looks to me like the same ol’ same ol’ leftist target practice anytime anyone tries to keep education funding in check. They equate dollars with success and that is just ridiculous. You cannot purchase hard work. Kids must work and be inspired to learn and study. None of that costs a dime. Education materials really are not that expensive if your goal is just to have good, adequate resources. If your goal is to fund leftist interest groups and political activism with tax dollars then that is another matter. Or if your goal is to line the pockets of administration loyal leftists with bigger and bigger salaries then that is something else, too. If your goal is to get quality teachers into the classroom and to have quality, factual materials for the students then that is not so expensive and should be able to be done with less money and more local control than is currently being done pretty much everywhere in the USA.
As for Trump’s perspective, at the bottom of the article it says that Trump might agree with some of Walker’s reforms. So I would need a better source than the Washington Post if I were to really understand the difference in Trump and Walker on the issue of schools. Furthermore, it seems like more of an issue for Governors than for Presidents, other than just an example of how they manage things — unless of course you are a liberal and want federal control of education.
If he is griping about the Union “rights” then that is a problem for Trump. He would be griping about Walker’s strength, imo. But I would need a direct quote to believe it, given the misreporting that is standard in the media.
There is a lot I don’t know about Trump. I am willing to listen and do not appreciate “Big Media” thugs trying to discredit any candidate with lies and smears. Let’s just wait and listen. Time and truth will tell us what we need to know to be informed voters.
Walker has only created about half of the 250,000 jobs he pledged. The WEDC he created is a dismal failure and now there is an ethics investigation over it which centers on Walker.
Basically Walker is a regional candidate and it usually does not translate well into a national candidate. I don’t see him going anywhere from here but fade.
You may be right about Walker. He has done some good things in that region but does that mean he is the right candidate for President?
What is WEDC? I am always suspicious of politically timed ethics investigations. Maybe. But maybe it is just a political ploy. As for creating jobs, if he pledged something that is one thing. He should be held accountable, though appropriate time should be given to assess success. Generally, I am not a believer in the theory that government creates jobs. Government needs to stop meddling and then people could create jobs.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3308047/posts
I still think Trump wants Hillary or Bush to win. He is taking the anti-Bush and anti-establishment voters.
WEDC is a financial foundation set up to help business’s get capital. Apparently a lot of the money has unsurprisingly landed in the laps of Walker supporters/donors.
The article you linked to does not really prove your statement one way or the other. I generally think candidates who are running are for themselves, not someone else.
Well, I have wondered if Hillary’s candidacy was simply a decoy. She functioned wonderfully well as a decoy for Obama. She was the main target of criticism by the right. The cry was, “Anyone but Hillary.” I kept saying, “..but Obama isn’t Hillary.” Most people just ignored that because they were consumed with hate for Hillary. I do wonder if she isn’t doing the same thing for Democrats this time around. Everyone focuses on her and someone else sneaks in under the radar.
On the right I think there are so many candidates because it is such a divided party. We stand for very little anymore. There is a war going on for the heart and soul of the party and the liberal factions are winning. I blame that mainly on W the Deceiver. But it is partly the fault of conservatives who joined the deception by supporting “moderates” as the prime time speakers at W’s convention (for example). I heard all the excuses from people who believed we were fooling the public and the party would stay conservative. WRONG. They were fooling themselves and have been fighting to turn the party back to conservative principles ever since.
Oh. That’s interesting. That’s the trouble with government control. It usually ends up in corruption for power and/or financial gain.
In a semi-conservative (does that make sense?) publication, I saw Trump quoted accusing Walker of doing away with public unions’ bargaining rights, but I can’t remember if it was the Weekly Standard, National Review, or where. I realize that anything they say has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Sorry, I suffer from OBS... Old Brain Syndrome. ;-)
What a sophomoric theory. I don't even know where to begin...
Trump was never a governor, dealing with unions, bureaucracy, taxes, deficits, Federal regs, lawsuits, etc...
I like Walker (although I am a Cruz supporter) and Walker went through WARFARE in Wisconsin with unions and an out-of-control leftist judiciary. I don’t care how big Trump talks - he has not had that experience or trial-by-fire.
Walker reminds me of Perry in some ways. Both have been very successful as Governors in their separate regions of the country, but that success didn't (and won't) parlay over into national success for them.
I watched people here get all excited about Perry in 2012, but being from Texas, I knew he was mostly hot air. He only looked good from afar. Up close, his warts were a real deal breaker for me and a lot of other conservatives.
I'm beginning to see Walker the same way. The more I learn about him, the less I like the guy.
I agree with you. Walker went through Hell fighting the Left-wing mob and deserves credit.
I don’t know enough about the state of WI to even comment on what Trump has said. I do know that Walker stood his ground at the gates of hell and won three elections in 4 years. How this experience translates onto the national scene - I don’t know. He has made some very poor choices in staffers, though. Heck, my governor, Kasich, is also running and everyone of them will tell us what good things they have done for their respective states. Kasich lost his battle with the public employees union. However, he sure didn’t do much advertising to inform Ohioans of the drain on their pocketbooks. He just allowed it to go on the voting ballot, and Ohioans voted against him. He should have come back and passed a right-to-work law, but, he just let it die. What a fighter!!!/s
I think Mr. Trump is wrong about Wisconsin and wrong about Governor Walker’s leadership, so I have pinged the WI list.
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