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We've been had by Trump and most of the rest...
23 July 2015 | Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

Posted on 07/23/2015 4:45:30 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: Lopeover
You don’t know that Cruz would soar. He could polarize the presidential process as well.

True. I'm betting. I'm guessing.

61 posted on 07/23/2015 5:23:02 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: chicagolady
He is ALOT more Conservative

"Alot"?

What is that?

62 posted on 07/23/2015 5:23:46 AM PDT by humblegunner (NOW with even more AWESOMENESS)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’m of the opinion Trump is working to get Hillary into the WH.

I doubt Trump is smart enough to know what Hillary has planned so he’s pretty much Hillary’s fool.

The left has always known they could achieve power without violence but they couldn’t keep power without violence.

Right now the left is ginning up civil unrest with blacks and whites. We see it and discuss it here every day.

Muslims are stepping up their violence.

The one group missing from the lefts ginning up civil unrest has been the Hispanic/illegal.

That’s were Trump comes in.

Trump is providing, as Bill Ayers puts it, the “Spark to ignite the flame” with Hispanics/illegals.

I find it a bit hard to believe it’s just a coincidence a dope peddler breaks out of prison and one of the first things he does is threated violence for speaking out about illegals.

Even more amazing is the civil unrest and violence from each group, blacks, whites, muslims and Hispanics is all being blamed on white hate/hate speech.

The dems create a premise and then there is a series of events conveniently supporting their premise doesn’t happen by accident.


63 posted on 07/23/2015 5:24:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Popman
At what point does he actually start to put together an actual presidential campaign that attracts people outside the conservative base...

He's quite popular among Democrats where I live.

The issue for the "conservative base" is, will they support a mass movement to kick the GOP and RAT bastards out, close the Southern border, rebuild the military (and thereby create many industrial jobs), and make America great again if it isn't led by one of their own?

64 posted on 07/23/2015 5:25:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: chicagolady

Mr. Success bankrupt 4 times but the shyster bankrupted his businesses, not his personal accounts. This way, only his employees got hurt. I guess as a native New Yorker, I’ve seen Trump for too long. We could vote for him and have absolutely no idea what he really stands for.


65 posted on 07/23/2015 5:26:08 AM PDT by Neverforget01
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To: cherry

by your reasoning, Sen T.Cruz is also in the pocket of the “dividers” and will only serve to allow the election of another Communist to POTUS.


66 posted on 07/23/2015 5:26:17 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Marie

What he has, which is communication gold and what Sarah Palin had too, is the semi-articulate straight talk of the working class.

Neither is going to win awards for great oratory, but each has the ear and sound of the working class—the elusive Reagan Democrats.

They both polled far better with those of little formal education. Clearly, they can get their message through, but it’s the more politically powerful because it is wrapped in inartful language.


67 posted on 07/23/2015 5:27:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker (ara)
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To: PSUGOP
Perhaps Trump is not beholden to the moneyed class (he is the moneyed class), but at this point I wonder how much this campaign has cost him anyway. I haven't seen or heard a single campaign ad, I haven't heard of him hiring any campaign advisors, and up to now all I know is that there are a bunch of media reports and Twitter feeds about his "campaign" ... along with a lot of public statements from Trump himself.

I've said from the start that I don't think he's a serious candidate, and I still believe that.

68 posted on 07/23/2015 5:28:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“However, the longer this goes on, one begins to wonder what the real motive is?”

Yeah, because everything has to be a conspiracy.


69 posted on 07/23/2015 5:29:33 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Neverforget01
I guess as a native New Yorker, I’ve seen Trump for too long.

That's a very good point. Whatever happened to the USFL and the New Jersey Generals? LOL.

70 posted on 07/23/2015 5:29:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: humblegunner; chicagolady

Careful HumGun.

chicagolady lives right around the corner from you (Corpus, I believe) and she has her CCW!

/all tongue-in-cheeky-ness


71 posted on 07/23/2015 5:30:49 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: ripnbang
The reason I "over analyze things" is that, while I appreciate what Trump is doing, I simply can't imagine a successful real estate developer, casino operator and media star actually functioning as The President of the United States. Plus the fact that Trump is a conservative this week but in the recent past has been for all sorts of initiatives that would be deal killers for most Freepers.

So, if Trump falters as he is actually expected to do, then someone is going to pick up the chips.

Who will that be?

And maybe he doesn't falter and we get another Arnold Schwarzenegger as President. (Yes, I know that's a stretch but you get the idea). The Arnold experiment failed miserably.

72 posted on 07/23/2015 5:30:54 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Alberta's Child

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/donald-trump-is-buying-a-new-hampshire-campaign-wholesale-20150707


73 posted on 07/23/2015 5:31:36 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Paladin2

Trump helps their goal of splitting the conservative vote for Jeb, problem is Trump is leading Jeb in the polls.

Perot was in to help Bill Clinton in 1992 and when he led the three way general election race, Perot announced he was pulling out and said weird things deliberately.

Then Perot came back in once his numbers were low enough to help Bill Clinton win the 1992 race. Perot was back in 1996 to help again.

MY SENSE OF THE SITUATION AT THIS MOMENT IS THAT THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT IS DESPERATE ENOUGH TO PULL TRUMP DOWN THAT THEY ARE PUFFING TED CRUZ UP.


74 posted on 07/23/2015 5:32:16 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
yeah right...the ONLY one with balls? Can’t you think of at least one more...

Even the guy I favor, that being Ted Cruz, has not refused to play the game by the established rules the way Trump has.

And those rule were keeping him at the margins.

75 posted on 07/23/2015 5:32:31 AM PDT by papertyger (If the government doesn't obey the Constitution, what is treason?)
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To: IMR 4350

So Trump is deliberately hurting his bottom line and his reputation....so as to elect Hillary?

I mean seriously. I love Alex Jones too, but stop trying the find some cheap plot to a political thriller novel behind everything.


76 posted on 07/23/2015 5:33:53 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Alberta's Child

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-new-hampshire-campaign-looks-legitimate-2015-7


77 posted on 07/23/2015 5:34:32 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; All

Your point could never be better said than in this testimony.

https://www.conservativereview.com/Commentary/2015/07/Mother-of-Boy-Killed-by-Illegal-Alien-to-Congress

Too many on this thread are assailing Trump for every other reason than what he is focusing on that has brought him to this point. I will not vote for Trump unless he is the nominee but for this place and time in the debate, he is hitting the establishment where it hurts and I am loving it.


78 posted on 07/23/2015 5:34:49 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: papertyger
Not a chance. Cruz was being bottled up prior to Trump's shenanigans.

OK. Who do you think is the second choice of the Trump Supporters?

And look at the RCP polling in my post above and you will see that Cruz was on the upswing as recently as early July. Trump killed that. Several Freepers have admitted to abandoning Cruz in favor of Trump.

79 posted on 07/23/2015 5:34:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I am a Cruz supporter but when Trump started getting all of the attention in the press and on here I bought his book, “Time to Get Tough: Making America Great Again” written before the last election.

I think everyone here is missing the point of Trump. He is not political and therefor is neither conservative or liberal. He is a citizen that is fed up with the way things are being done and thinks he can do better.

I am currently on chapter 6 of the book and so far I am in agreement with most everything he says.

With that said, I don’t think he knows how evil and corrupt both sides have been. I think he just thinks they are incompetent.

If he were to team up with Cruz I would have no problem voting for the two of them.


80 posted on 07/23/2015 5:35:14 AM PDT by Amntn
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