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To: EternalVigilance

“Your bitterness against those who hated the enslavement of other men is undying.”

Let me try to explain what I see this way.

Your statement leads me to believe that you see slavery (and perhaps racism) as my problem, or a southern problem, rather than a national or global problem.

You don’t refute that every northern colony signed on for slavery - you ignore it.

I can understand your thinking because we see it on display so often today - every time the television is turned on.

You can tell all your friends you are not prejudiced, or you are not a racist, because you are emotionally schnchonized with Abraham Lincoln and he, after all, “freed the slaves.”

In other words, cheap grace.


701 posted on 07/30/2015 9:46:28 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

You’re just making stuff up. Even new words, I guess. lol...


703 posted on 07/30/2015 9:56:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: jeffersondem

The difference is that the world was evolving past the concept of slavery. most of the “civilized” nations were in the process of or had already eliminated slavery. Every northern state had either outlawed slavery or had defined a path to emancipation.

The south held out and was determined to not only perpetuate slavery, but to expand it. I can understand why - after all they had a considerable investment in what appeared to them to be a guaranteed money-maker.

I’ve heard other southern partisans make the claim that “they just wanted things to stay as they were”. The problem with that was that the world was changing (not just the northern states) and the slavocracy was finding itself increasingly on the outs with everybody.


726 posted on 07/31/2015 6:17:00 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jeffersondem; EternalVigilance; rockrr
jeffersondem: "Your statement leads me to believe that you see slavery (and perhaps racism) as my problem, or a southern problem, rather than a national or global problem.
You don’t refute that every northern colony signed on for slavery - you ignore it."

But the truth is that only Lost-Causers on these threads are involved in fantasizing the past -- nobody else is denying or inventing facts.
Yes, we do occasionally make mistakes, and sometimes stand corrected, but nobody except Lost-Causers like yourself is deliberately ignoring or falsifying what actually happened.

In the case of Slavery, it is only "your problem" if you claim it as your problem -- if you defend it, if you justify it, if you attack others trying to explain the truth of it to you.
Yes, then it becomes "your problem".

But as soon as you stop doing those things, then slavery stops being "your problem" and you can join the rest of us in the real world.

Remember, nobody here has ever denied there was slavery in the North, in 1776.
But by 1860, every Northern state had officially abolished it, and the 1860 census counted mere handfuls of slaves in a few Northern states.

But the Slave-Power not only refused to abolish slavery in their own states, they wanted to expand it -- into western territories and even into Caribbean and Central American countries -- not to mention the Supreme Court's Dred-Scot decision, in effect, making slavery legal even in Northern states!

That's where things stood in 1860.

795 posted on 08/01/2015 1:37:03 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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