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To: BroJoeK
I will stand corrected on the day that you produce a verified quote from any legitimate Founder who said that secession "at pleasure" was A-OK with him.

No you won't, you will lie and say "That doesn't mean what it says, it means this other thing over here that agrees with what I wish to believe."

Let's see if I am wrong about this: Here's your quote.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And signed by these men; Representatives of 13 slave holding states.

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple

Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott

New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton

644 posted on 07/30/2015 2:36:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

But the real truth is: the US Federal Government in December 1860 was not destructive of any ends -- it had the same pro-slavery Dough-faced Democrat President Buchanan elected in 1856, the same pro-slavery Democrat dominated Congress elected in 1858, and the same pro-slavery Supreme Court that issued the 1857 Dred-Scott decision.

There was no material action by the Federal Government to justify Deep South Fire Eaters' declarations of secession.
That makes those declarations "at pleasure", which was never what any Founder in 1776 intended, FRiend.

Finally, our Founders' Constitution established many lawful methods by which government could be altered, or even abolished.
But Deep South secessionists chose not to employ those methods, but instead to declare secession unilaterally, and then provoke, start and declare war on the United States.

716 posted on 07/30/2015 11:20:08 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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