The hypothetical was a person declaring his property a new country. You said people have a right to do that.
No more so than did the founders run theirs through parliament.
Yep, it was treason against the king, and we had to fight to keep our land. The south didn't run their secession through the Congress so it was an illegal secession to begin with. Amazing to me Lincoln waited for an act of war before responding.
One does not get to "vote" to seize other people's property. Property is a natural right, and is not subject to the will of the people. I have no more right to vote you into slavery than you have a right to do the same to me. If you feel differently, then which side are you on? Pro-Slavery or Against?
If the people decide that there is goods and services rendered from taxation or tariffs, it is not slavery. I assume you use the roads that you think you owe nothing for. Distribution of wealth is slavery though. But using distribution of wealth to say you owe nothing for roads and such is you enslaving the rest of us.
Most road construction is paid for by the state or by the city. Federal Highway funds were originally intended to pay for the Federal Highway system which was itself an appeal to the need to provide adequate speed in moving defense assets throughout the country. Now Federal Highway funds are a bribe and a club to force states to bow to the will of whatever the Administration wants to force them to do nowadays. (This is how we ended up with Mandatory Seat Belt laws.) They are also a slush fund for rewarding cronies as necessary. Some of the money gets to roads, but not without being first filtered through a lot of hands.
Yep. I bet you still use them though.
Bad education and Much Indoctrination at a horribly expensive price, not to mention creating one of the largest and most powerful unions to twist legislatures arms into greater and greater expenditures on their behalf.
Yep. I bet you went to school though (although sometimes it's hard to tell with you).
We came to terms with the British. They weren't nearly as fanatical as were the Union under Lincoln. They quit fighting after about 15,000 casualties, while Lincoln held out for 600,000.
Yep, the union troops fought a lot harder for the nation, I agree. Thanks for the compliment. 600,000 dead for slavery, as the south declared their secession and war was all about. Pick your own damn cotton next time!
Texas took care of them themselves and apparently didn't need any Federal help doing it at the time.
LOL! You're thinking of the Alamo. The Mexican War was after Texas joined the union and way after the Alamo. My great great grandfather fought in that war, as a US soldier from Illinois.
Who would have no doubt been raiding New York to grab Fresh Irish off the boats and impress them into their service. Oh wait. That was the Union that did that. The Confederates were no threat.
No threat yet they attacked Fort Sumter and wanted slavery in all the territories of North America.
You mean we haven't paid for World War II yet but we're still spending money on other crap? How did we afford that 21 trillion dollar "War on Poverty" then?
Ask the Dems, I didn't vote for it.
And there is an expenditure of my taxes to which I did not Object. Reagan beat them with his buildup.
Oops, you owe, owe, so off to work you go.
You must not be keeping up. Not only are they not doing that, they are doing everything in their power to aid them getting over here. I certainly don't want to pay for that.
Yes, I agree. And like I said, we lost our vote with vote fraud. But that doesn't mean you get everything else free.
My position is that you don't have a right to spend my money without my acquiescence, and I don't care what the non-taxpayers vote for. They shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. I feel no moral obligation to pay a bill for something i'm against. How in H3ll can we not defund Planned Parenthood? Eh?
But you reap the benefits from these expenditures. You're against the interstates, but you use them and pay lower prices at Walmart because of them.
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson
And that man can move at any time. You didn't. You used. You owe.
I consider the "Great Society" programs to not only be a waste of money for the nation, but are in fact horribly detrimental to it. They have created a vast army of entitled people with no hope of improvement. They have destroyed the nuclear family by making the father unnecessary, and that had the added consequence of causing rampant crime, because when a male child grows up without a father to instil discipline and responsibility, most of them turn feral, and have little respect for law or life. This is what the 21 trillion dollar war on poverty did: This and create more Democrat voters. I don't think I should have to pay for that. I don't think I should have to pay for that at all.
Your fellow Americans voted for it. If you didn't want to pay for it you should have moved.
If I say so, it's only because the Founders established the principle and set the Precedent. You might look at this document called "The Declaration of Independence" which spells out the pertinent concept.
Yep, it was treason against the king, and we had to fight to keep our land. The south didn't run their secession through the Congress so it was an illegal secession to begin with.
OMG. I feel like I'm arguing with children. The Founders didn't "run their secession through" Parliament. This means such a step is unnecessary when invoking a God given right to independence. Again, see the Declaration thereof. In the future, if you are going to make some inane observation, I would suggest you see if it applies to the founders first, and if it does, you need to not speak it, because it therefore makes no point useful to you.
Amazing to me Lincoln waited for an act of war before responding.
Obviously he didn't. Had you been reading the thread with the due diligence of someone interested in learning things, you would have discovered that Lincoln had launched an Invasion by Sea, and it was a fortuitous circumstance for him that the Confederates fired on Sumter. Had they not started shooting, He was going to do so. Again, read the thread more closely.
I'm not going to finish reading your message. You've flubbed important points three times, and I figure that's enough to bother with for one message.