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To: BroJoeK
When the men who wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence also wrote their first constitution -- Articles of Confederation -- they called it a "perpetual union", they did not intend it to end in secession.

They did not intend it to end in secession, but their intentions do not override what were considered at that time "Natural Rights." The Articles of Confederation was the first constitution, but the Declaration was the founding document. It was the one that created the nation, and nothing inconsistent with it can be rightfully supported by any subsequent acts of man.

All expressed or implied that "dis-union" could only legitimately come from 1) mutual consent or 2) oppression & usurpations "having that same effect."

No they didn't. I shot down that garbage argument in the last message. Secondly, you can't override a principle rooted in the power of "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" with acts of men.

477 posted on 07/27/2015 3:42:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "the Declaration was the founding document.
It was the one that created the nation, and nothing inconsistent with it can be rightfully supported by any subsequent acts of man."

Most people do not consider the US Constitution in any way inconsistent with the Declaration of Independence.

But regardless, the Constitution replacing the old Articles of Confederation is our current government's Founding Document, and any interpretation of it must begin with Founders' original intent.
Without reference to original intent, you have no basis on which to measure anything except your own personal definitions of words, definitions which can easily turn the Constitution into total mush.

Our Founders' original intent was that disunion must be by mutual consent or material breach of compact, regardless of your personal opinions on the subject.

DiogenesLamp: "I shot down that garbage argument in the last message.
Secondly, you can't override a principle rooted in the power of "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" with acts of men."

You shot nothing except your own mouth off, FRiend.
Your arguments are false.

The US Constitution overrides your personal opinions every day, every hour, every minute of the day.
Your personal opinions count for nothing beside the original intent of our Founders' Constitution.
For better or for worse, that's the ratified law -- as modified by subsequent amendments -- on which our republic is based.
And most people would not concede a discrepancy between Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

634 posted on 07/30/2015 1:43:06 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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