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To: MosesKnows
The Constitutional government written, and ratified, by the Founders was a Constitution with severely limited immunities and strictly enumerated powers. There is no confusion: the Founders did not believe in any other thing, and neither do conservatives.

Much of the ratification debate centered on the extent to which the proposed new government was not constrained strictly enough, which has always been a paramount concern in the eyes of Americans.

Saying that conservatives would support "constitutional government" that was limitless in its authority or executive is pure bollocks. The purpose of The Constitution [as opposed to a constitution] is to limit the government. It is integral to its nature.

234 posted on 07/06/2015 9:58:21 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Now, which is bigger, Pluto or Goofy?)
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To: FredZarguna
There can be no doubt that the framers intended that the Constitution limit government.

But its primary purposes are spelled out at the very beginning of the document itself, so there's no mystery about their intent, unless you choose to close your eyes to it.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

-- Statement of Purpose of the United States Constitution


237 posted on 07/06/2015 10:15:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I understand the temptation to defeatism, but that doesn't mean I approve of it.)
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To: FredZarguna
Saying that conservatives would support "constitutional government" that was limitless in its authority or executive is pure bollocks.

Pray tell how you developed the notion that "constitutional government" meant anything other than government legislation limited by the Constitution?

I am serious, please explain yourself.

266 posted on 07/06/2015 12:08:56 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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