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What Did Lincoln Really Think of Jefferson?
New York Times ^ | 07/05/2015 | By ALLEN C. GUELZO

Posted on 07/05/2015 3:24:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Jefferson was a brilliant and courageous patriot. Lincoln was a tyrant, which would explain his disregard for American greatness.


41 posted on 07/05/2015 4:11:49 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: ansel12; FredZarguna
What you just posted is as nutty and dishonest as your trying to claim that Jefferson was a homo loving libertarian who wanted to homosexualize the American military and have gay married soldiers getting marriage benefits as a “libertarian”.

Posting lies & BS, and trying to pick a fight, yet again, eh, ansel?

FredZarguna wrote no such thing on this thread, nor made any such "claims", and that FACT is easily checked.

42 posted on 07/05/2015 4:11:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Same way I feel about FDR.


43 posted on 07/05/2015 4:13:36 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: kiryandil; FredZarguna

He claimed that Jefferson was a libertarian, and as a libertarian, that means full equality for homosexuals including military service and marriage benefits.

Get your facts straight, before you try to claim that Jefferson was a member of this goofy modern movement.


44 posted on 07/05/2015 4:15:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did this journalist speak to President Lincoln? If so, did he use a Ouija board? Or did he do a seance to talk to President Lincoln?


45 posted on 07/05/2015 4:16:10 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: ansel12

Oh, shut up.


46 posted on 07/05/2015 4:18:18 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: FredZarguna

you’re badly disoriented. historically and philosophically.


47 posted on 07/05/2015 4:19:15 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: kiryandil

Quit trying to fake history, to advance modern liberalism.


48 posted on 07/05/2015 4:20:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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To: kiryandil

It wasn’t a “motion”. it was a poorly considered outburst.


49 posted on 07/05/2015 4:20:29 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: SeekAndFind
It doesn't sound like he hated Jefferson to me.

"The principles of Jefferson are the definitions and axioms of free society. And yet they are denied and evaded with no small show of success...All honor to Jefferson — to the man who, in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence, had the coolness, forecast, and capacity to introduce into a merely revolutionary document an abstract truth, applicable to all men at all times, and so to embalm it there, that today, and in all coming days, it should be a rebuke and a stumbling block to the very harbingers of reappearing tyranny and oppression." -- Abraham Lincoln, 1859

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50 posted on 07/05/2015 4:22:06 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: JohnBrowdie

You have thrown lots of insults, without a single fact to support them. Please explain exactly how Thomas Jefferson would be a big-government liberal democrat if he were alive today. And try to use a fact or two, and not just personal attacks.


51 posted on 07/05/2015 4:22:22 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Dick Bachert

ah. the half understood quotes that have been taken out of context have arrived. right on cue.


52 posted on 07/05/2015 4:22:25 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: FredZarguna
Your typically unhinged position regarding libertarians is noted, and, as usual, complete nonsense.

**sigh** Here we go, again.

He's going to go off like a Roman candle, spouting all sorts of mendacities, as if Jefferson would have the slightest clue of the views of a modern-day libertarian.

Your posts about Jefferson are to be understood in their historical context.

To believe that a Founding Father would advocate in favor of homosexuality is COMPLETE nonsense.

53 posted on 07/05/2015 4:23:00 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: kiryandil

That is what I said, Jefferson was not a libertarian.


54 posted on 07/05/2015 4:26:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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To: JohnBrowdie; FredZarguna
It wasn’t a “motion”. it was a poorly considered outburst.

Your post was "Nonsense", on the face of it.

It was my first reaction - but Fred posted it first.

55 posted on 07/05/2015 4:26:30 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: ansel12

Are you still chirping your BS?


56 posted on 07/05/2015 4:27:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: kiryandil; ansel12

Don’t feed the troll. He really has nothing to add to this, or any other, discussion.


57 posted on 07/05/2015 4:27:50 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Now, which is bigger, Pluto or Goofy?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Being for “limited government” does not make one a conservative.

And yet many leftards who claim to be Conservative are willing to vote for a candidate who is for increasing central government, just so long as there's an (R) after the name.

Fully two thirds of the people insisting now that they will never pull the lever for jeb, will next year when the CoC hands him the nomination.

58 posted on 07/05/2015 4:28:09 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: bigdaddy45

I didn’t learn everything I know about Thomas Jefferson during an afternoon in the Internet. Expecting me to fix your lack of knowledge in a few easy to digest Internet links is just being lazy.

Sorry. It’s just not my job to straighten you out on Thomas Jefferson.

(Cue the standard, “aha! You can’t support your position!” response when I refuse to spend my time disabusing those that don’t wish to be disabused)


59 posted on 07/05/2015 4:28:26 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: FredZarguna

Says the guy who jumps on a thread to tell everyone that Jefferson was actually a secret libertarian, so support libertarians.


60 posted on 07/05/2015 4:29:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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