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Star Wars sucks. There, we said it.
Maclean's ^ | June 19, 2015 | Jaime Weinman

Posted on 06/20/2015 11:05:05 AM PDT by rickmichaels

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To: rickmichaels

The Star Wars franchise has ruined things for non-franchise, non-superhero, quirky, offbeat movies. Well, just as long as you ignore all the successful non-franchise, non-superhero, quirky, offbeat movies since 1977.


121 posted on 06/20/2015 3:08:53 PM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody was going to say it. Why not me?)
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To: rickmichaels

I liked the first Star Wars movie. It was good but not great. All that came after sucked. Were boring. I am amazed the Star Wars series has always had so many hypnotized fan bois but then so does Apple. Probably a lot of overlap here


122 posted on 06/20/2015 3:12:27 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I love those reviews.


123 posted on 06/20/2015 3:12:32 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Islamic Immigration is Treason)
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To: Organic Panic
What snooty movie critics.

“a film with comic-book characters, an unbelievable story, no political or social commentary, lousy acting, preposterous dialogue, and a ridiculously simplistic morality. In other words, a bad movie.”

CAN'T WE JUST HAVE FUN!!! Does EVERYTHING have to shove liberal morality in our faces? These fools will laugh and impugn anything remotely Christian and moral but will celebrate the filthy anti-American lies from De Palma!

This is why the "top lists" from critics of the past are no better than those of today. There was and is praised heaped on some works (literary as well as film and tv) because of some political view someone held (especially among the Hollywood 10) or other agenda. Other works are suppressed or forgotten because of personal or political grudges.

Pauline Kael (who is often held up as the best critic ever) said that she didn't know how Nixon could've won. Nobody she knew voted for him. They are all myopic and it influences their judgment.

Homos, women, and socialists dominated film criticism for awhile so you got costume dramas, musicals, and "social realism" defined as "the best cinema had to offer". Now a new crowd are the tastemakers. Critics once upon a time hated rock and roll too. They still generally do so they have to find the atypical example to elevate it as "good".

2001 was "art" not sci-fi. REM and Radiohead are "above rock". Those who enjoy the real deal feel cheated.

124 posted on 06/20/2015 3:14:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: Flag_This
Lucas made a mint from merchandising. He was smart enough to capitalize on that. Of course, that was only successful because the movie was.

Much of the merchandising of Star Trek was made in the 1970s. The tv show itself was short lived (3 seasons?). Merchandising can be very financially successful even if the movie/tv show is not.

Snoopy toys/clothes/greeting cards/etc. are probably purchased by many fold the number of people who actually reading the daily strip anymore or have even one paperback collection of them.

125 posted on 06/20/2015 3:18:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: rickmichaels

Jesus loves Stars. jusayin


126 posted on 06/20/2015 3:20:23 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Ransomed
Sci-fi book readership before and after Star Wars would be an interesting factoid to know. I think after Star Wars more folks started to first think of movies/TV when they hear the term ‘sci-fi.’ For me it will always be ‘books.’

If you go to a comic book convention today, you will find that the focus is on actors and actresses from Game of Thrones and Marvel Comics movies and tv shows. Very few of the fans read. The artists are considered an afterthought and authors are "boring". The fans have more fun dressing up in self-made or purchased costumes.

They far outnumber the attendees who are there to look at or discuss books (with or without illustrations).

127 posted on 06/20/2015 3:24:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Billy Dee Williams has been asked how did he prepare for playing Lando. What in his life experiences did be bring to it. He said that it would be nothing like his life, it’s a whole other world. His role model was Errol Flynn and other pirate actors. Black has nothing to do with it.


128 posted on 06/20/2015 3:30:56 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Of course, and I agree with you. But regardless, that was the effect it had on one young impressionable fellow.

Hopefully his impression of Lando improved after the next episode. :-) I'll never know, since our lives parted company.

129 posted on 06/20/2015 3:35:12 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'll vote for Jeb when Terri Schiavo endorses him.)
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To: Perdogg; cripplecreek
The original three movies were a blast. The prequels sucked. The upcoming sequels at least don't appear to be an attempt to reboot the franchise, like the execrable new Star Trek.

130 posted on 06/20/2015 4:00:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.google.com/search?q=graphene+semiconductor+site:freerepublic.com/focus/)
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To: a fool in paradise

Easy Rider made some serious money in 1969, allowed Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda and Bill Hayward to be set for life if they invested their money right.

Anyway the big franchise pics are the rage right now and for the time being are paying off.


131 posted on 06/20/2015 5:01:29 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: PAR35
The plot line of the second movie is that a Black man will sell out his friend for a chance at a white woman.


132 posted on 06/20/2015 5:13:08 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (So is carbon dioxide the "Smoke of Satan"?)
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To: jjotto
I never thought of Star Wars as science fiction either.

It isn't. It's a swashbuckler.

133 posted on 06/20/2015 5:13:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (So is carbon dioxide the "Smoke of Satan"?)
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To: Organic Panic

Problem is that I didn’t think the movies were fun.


134 posted on 06/20/2015 5:36:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Organic Panic

Problem is that I didn’t think the movies were fun.


135 posted on 06/20/2015 5:36:43 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: rickmichaels

The best thing resulting from Star Wars was Space Balls.


136 posted on 06/20/2015 5:38:38 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: a fool in paradise
"Merchandising can be very financially successful even if the movie/tv show is not."

Yeah, but I think Star Trek always had a very dedicated fan base, even if it wasn't quite large enough to keep it on the air. And I think Lucas took merchandising to a level that hadn't been done prior to Star Wars.

"George went to Fox with a proposition. He offered to keep his salary at $150,000 in exchange for two seemingly insignificant requests: 1) That he retain all merchandising rights, and 2) that he would retain the rights to any sequels...

"But the real money for George didn't come from box office receipts. Between 1977 and 1978, Star Wars sold $100 million worth of toys. 35 years later and Star Wars themed toys have generated $12 billion worth of revenue. Today, Star Wars licensed toys produce $3 billion a year in revenues."

Link

137 posted on 06/20/2015 6:10:32 PM PDT by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Flag_This
And I think Lucas took merchandising to a level that hadn't been done prior to Star Wars.

Right.

I know in the 1970s there were "collectible" glasses in jelly jars that could be later reused as drinking cups. And a detergent company attached a series of Pogo plastic cups to sell their wares.

And some fast food burger joints would offer collectible glassware for sports teams. And 7-eleven went overboard with dozens and dozens of plastic slurpee cups in a year.

I seem to recall Happy Days glasses at some fast food joint but the Star Wars glasses (at Burger King?) really brought that trend into focus (at least for movie critics).

I think it was Roger Ebert who identified a class of movies that could have their plots summed up on 4 (or 6) glasses.

Now that I think of it, King Kong (1976?) also had such glasses.

It certainly became a standard for the Lucas films to come.

And while other movies might have a set of trading cards, I think the original film had 3 (or 4?) series of images from the film. At a time when there was no home video (and not even a telecast of the movie for years to come) it was one of several "home experience" ways of reliving a movie (there were also some sort of photonovels in the 1970s).

138 posted on 06/20/2015 6:27:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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To: rickmichaels

Ha! Many critics hate success. They have the insane idea that a popular movie is always bad. Yet they give 5 stars to foreign movies that they would totally pan if those movies were made in the USA. Star Wars, for all its faults brought the fun back to a movie industry that churned out depressing crap... movies called “auteur”. I remember very well what a breath of fresh air Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark were. Yes, they changed movies and I thank them for it. Otherwise we’d see nothing but pretentious navel-gazers like “The Deer Hunter”.


139 posted on 06/20/2015 6:33:19 PM PDT by Seruzawa (All those memories will be lost,in time, like tears in rain.)
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To: Flag_This; Slings and Arrows; qam1
And I think Lucas took merchandising to a level that hadn't been done prior to Star Wars.

This was made decades ago but is case in point. Someone recreated the first Star Wars movie using the different merchandising products (toys, book on record, etc.).

The Star Wars (1994)

"Throughout the late seventies and early eighties, plenty of kids used toys to make their own stop-motion animated versions of Lucas's space saga, but it was 'The Star Wars', made in 1994 by Pez D. Spencer (aka Troy Durrett), Lance Robson, and Jon Ramos, that took the concept of the action figure movie to the ultimate level -thanks to it's structure, which was dictated by the merchandise it exploited. The short was a collector's fever dream, an experiment in metastorttelling, a commentary on the commercialization of 'Star Wars' and an insular artistic conceit taken to the extreme-far more than the sum of its (plastic) parts." - Homemade Hollywood by Clive Young
There apparently was an attempt to do the same with Empire Strikes Back but it does not seem to be complete.

The Empire Strikes Hoth

Including Slings and Qam for nostalgic Ping list considerations.

140 posted on 06/20/2015 6:37:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Funny how Hollywood's 'No Nukes' crowd has been silent during Obama's Iranian nuclear negotiations.)
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