OK FReepers, it's the zombie apocalypse. What battle rifle should I buy?

Me | 24 May 2014 | Me

[Drew68]

There's probably a few threads already but I've been here 14 years and rarely post vanities. So indulge me.

I've got about $1600 +/-$200 to spend. I certainly don't need to spend it all.

I want a good semi-auto rifle.

What to get?

Currently, I have a Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun. I have a .45 1911. I have some Smith and Wesson Glock copy in .40 cal that a buddy needed money for. I have a Ruger 10-22. I have a Winchester 30-30.

I'm missing something. A semi-auto rifle.

Lately, I've been a strong proponent of something in .308/7.62 NATO and leaning towards a DS Arms FAL or a PTR-91. However, nothing beats a Kalashnikov. And AR-15s are the most popular rifle in the world.

What say you all on this Saturday night?

[5th MEB]

Fast zombies are only in the movies.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I can;t afford anything new. I will have to trust my 1100. Got a reloader, and plenty of supplies. I have an Arisaka though. What the heck ammo do I need for it?

[ought-six]

M1A.

[familyop]

"Fast zombies. The ones who will be looking for food when their EBT cards decline."

Do you really believe that the various political factions here (which are all really one socialist machine) would starve tens of millions of former private sector people to death for the first time (those who once manufactured, maintained and built)? They're accustomed to living slim since the socialist, political/regulator class folks shut down the real industries.

If things go that bad, don't expect to see government pay to anyone outside of military personnel. Even an austerity program implemented soon would take more than half of government and pensioners down with it including most of those involved in defense contracts. Laid off teachers, firefighters, police, regulatory office folks, administrators, formerly government-linked business folks, pensioners, social workers, psychologists--those are the people who would perpetrate armed riots and end up gnawing on each others' skulls.

Our country can feed the hungry, but it can't continue big spending support for 40 million government income recipients and the services that, in turn, depend on their spending. For the most part, many of them are not producing much more than impedances against production and other troubles.

[snoringbear]

“Choose the round first, then feel the gun to see if it fits you. You’ll know.”

Agree. gotta be able to resupply. After all, may be lots of “Zombies” out and about :) personally, I would go with the 5.56 M-16 round or the 7.62 NATO round. They’re two of the most common center fire rounds. Weapons of choice would be an AR-15 or Ruger Ranch Mini-14. If you want to reach out and touch someone, then an M1-A or a Remington 700 of some sort in 308 cartridge. Oh, sell the 30-30, buy ammo And Crown Royal with the money.

[goodwithagun]

I’ve shot many guns and for this situation (I assume EBT gibsmedats by zombies) I’d go with an AK-47. Attach a 75 round drum and you’re set.

[servantboy777]

>>However, nothing beats a Kalashnikov.<<

Get a good Russian AK-47. Might be a lil hard to order one because of the sanctions against Russia, but if you look hard enough...you find one.

They are relatively inexpensive (or were), super easy to maintain, tough and durable, ammo inexpensive/plentiful.
You can dunk this puppy in muddy water, rap it against a tree, load a mag of dirty ammo...it still fires and fires with no jamming. Effective range 450 yards.

Accuracy not as tight as AR platform, but at 100-200 yards, unless you suffer from Parkinson's...you ain't gonna miss what yewzz aim’n at.

Izhmash SGL21-61 is an awesome piece of machinery.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/SGL21-26_Series-7.62x39mm-Caliber-Russian-AK-47-Variant-Rifles/

[Man from Oz]

I have the first gen Sub 2000 in 9mm. The second gen looks like they made some positive changes.

I purchased this gun as a backup to a backup to a backup :)

[jaydee770]

Something in .22LR has a lot of potential for versatility.

If we are truly talking SHTF, there’s no gas and you are on foot, would you rather carry 1000 loose rounds of .22lr in your two front pockets or lug 28lb (1000rds 5.56mm) wherever you go?

Plus .22lr are ubiquitous. They are sprinkled all over the nation if you stick to popular makes/models, so spare parts should not be problematic.

Plus, you can build-up the barrel diameter at the muzzle by wrapping it with electrical tape until you can thread a regular old automotive oil filter on it and you have an effective improvised silencer. Don’t even have to drill a hole, the first shot will make the hole right where it needs to be. The sound suppressing performance is as good as a commercial silencer. Only downside is the filter is so big it blocks most regular sights so you have to improvise higher sights. Accuracy is not as good but for reasonably close distances, it works surprisingly well.

If zombies become a “thing” you can only hope they behave like hollywood zombies (slow, lumbering, dumb), and not european zombies (fast, climber/jumpers). Got a zombie-herd coming at you? Get up above their reach (tree, semi-truck, etc.) and take your time with your suppressed .22lr and your 1000 rounds in your pockets and build a big pile of brain-perforated zombies.

And .22lr has always been pretty popular with deer poachers. So with a properly placed shot, it is capable...

With two legged predators, .22lr is not the best combat round. However, if it’s a SHTF situation, medical help will be scarce. I would think getting gut-shot by a .22lr would ruin anyone’s day. A relatively minor leg wound without medical attention could turn fatal. So I would think folks would be very hesitant to risk getting *any* serious injury - bad cut on rusty metal, bone-break, stabbed or shot with anything from a pellet-gun to an elephant gun. So pretty much any gun would be better than no gun.

Just some things to consider. Didn’t intend to write this much, but it’s coffee time...

[Yosemitest]

I definitely want one, because it’ll work so well with my Glock !

[Yosemitest]

Have you taken a good look at your average Democrat lately?

Zombies = DemocRATS

[Yosemitest]

"Do you really believe that the various political factions here
(which are all really one socialist machine)
would starve tens of millions of former private sector people to death for the first time
(those who once manufactured, maintained and built)?"

WHEN will you and people like you (IN DENIAL) WAKE UP to the EVIL that we're up against ?

NEVER FORGET:

OBAMA WANTS 25 MILLION DEAD ( 4:42 )

Obama's Friend Ayers: Kill 25 Million Americans

Read an article from Tom Fife and a comment from thefife:

"This is my article revealing the fact
that Soviet Russia knew about Obama in 1992
and was involved in grooming him to be the first Black and Communist President."

Here's Tom Fife's article.

Tom Fife, an American computer networking specialist and international businessman, reported the alarming facts about the Kremlin’s connection to Barack Obama. The boast from a Communist Party official reportedly occurred during a business trip to Russia, 16 years before Barack Obama was ushered into the presidency of the United States.

“It was like an elastic band snapping all the way from 1992,” Fife shakily admitted, upon recall of the exact moment he realized the Communist official had been telling the truth. “It was a very, very scary feeling.”

Fife, a physicist and computer engineer, had been traveling to Russia for a joint venture with a state-owned company when the shocking revelation was revealed to him. After several business meetings, Fife and his partner were invited to the company owner’s home at the end of the journey for a farewell dinner.

The owner’s wife was a Communist Party official and was “climbing two ladders”, as Fife puts it, one ladder being the KGB and the other being the traditional Russian society and business ladder. As the evening wore on, the female Communist official became increasingly agitated over a perceived slight and her emotions spilled over.

“You Americans like to think you’re so perfect!” she snarled. “Well, what if I told you that very, very soon you’re going to have a black president… and he’s going to be a Communist!”

The KGB operative was not finished. As she had now dropped this bombshell on the entire gathering, she felt compelled to continue.

“His name is Barack,” she sneered. “His mother is white and his father is an African black. He has gone to the best schools, he is what you would call ‘Ivy League’.”

Fife recalls being stunned and shocked at the words flowing from the Communist’s mouth as she continued to rattle off an incredibly precise set of details about this Communist operative who was to supposedly become president of the United States.

The Communist official then stated that he was from Hawaii, but would very soon be elected to the Chicago state legislature. This has turned out to be an eerily prescient prediction, as Barack Obama was not elected State Senator until 1996, a full 4 years afterwards, as he took Alice Palmer’s seat.

In 1992, Obama had recently graduated from Harvard Law School and accepted a position as a Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School.

Perhaps the most shocking revelation is how deep the Soviet Communist network has embedded itself into American political and educational culture. A quick review of Obama’s political “career” shows a track that wasinexplicably greased, from his tuition payments at Columbia and Harvard, to a position at UOC Law School, to his eventual electoral “victories” at the Illinois State Senate, United States Senate, and U.S. Presidency.

Barack Obama’s parents ostensibly met in a Russian language class. This could have been where his mother was recruited by Barack Obama Sr, who could have already been working undercover for the KGB.

In order to brainwash the child from an early age, they surrounded him with diehard Communists and fellow KGB agents, such as Frank Marshall Davis, a known Communist Party USA official. The Soviet KGB directly funded the CPUSA. This would fit directly into what the Russian Communist said about ‘Barack’, boasting “He has been raised to be an atheist and a communist.”

“He will be a blessing for world communism,” Fife recalled her saying, after getting over the initial shock of hearing the current president was a KGB agent.

The creepy prediction stayed with the physicist upon his return to the United States, although he paid it no mind until he began to hear of an swiftly rising political star named Barack Obama. When Fife learned that this same Barack was running in the 2008 presidential election, everything snapped into place and he knew he had to tell someone.

Today, Fife admits that it deeply disturbs him and that he has never been able to shake the ominous feeling of foreboding about what comes next, now that the KGB official’s prediction has come true.

“It never leaves you, having someone tell you that they’ve engineered the takeover of your country,” he admits. “It’s really quite scary.”

Let us remember ...

"You Americans are so gullible.
No, you won’t accept Communism outright.
But we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism
until you finally wake up and realize you already have communism.
We won’t have to fight you;
we’ll so weaken your economy
that you will fall like over ripe fruit into our hands. "


Nikita Kruschev, Former Soviet Premier

There's NO "ENIGMA" ... to Barack Hussein Obama II.

The DemocratsNational Socialists, and FASCIST Obama are DOING IT ON PURPOSE!!!!

We were warned.

Obama tells Russian Leader 'After my Election I'll Have More Flexibility' ( 0:27)

[Man from Oz]

Yes, the mags are Glock. Not cheap! I have a 30 rd in the stable.

Check out the YouTube review by Hank Strange at full30.com. He did a good job of contrasting the gen 1 and gen 2 sub 2000.

MFO

[DCBryan1]

Ruger 10/22 with a Norrell suppressor if you are in an NFA friendly state. Spend the rest on mags and ammo.

[Big Red Badger]

We The Warned !

[umgud]

Crossfire MK1, google it. You can find them on auction sites. Been out of business many years. I fondled one when new for about $1,800. Novel and a great concept.

[PapaBear3625]

The sound of a rifle just attracts them. I’d get a machete or a shovel/hoe or maybe a big rock. Go for the head only.......

If you're going to go that route, get a crossbow. Quieter than a rifle, able to hit a target at reasonable distance, and the bolt (arrow) can be recovered and re-used.

[ChildOfThe60s]

If I need a couple of cases of ammo, I'm in a world of shit.

I thought that was the kinda of the point of this thread. If people are shooting at you for food and flashlights, you are indeed in a world of sh1t.

We are the most heavily-armed country in the world. Guns and ammo will be cheap.

Available and cheap are not the same thing. There was no less ammo in existence after Sandy Hook, more in fact. Fear of gun control & the desire to hoard ammo made it harder to get and more costly. I suggest to you that reaction in a more traumatic event as we are discussing will be many time greater.

If people will kill for food etc, they will kill for guns and ammo (or trade for it, still valuable).

I look at it this way. I pay a thousand dollars a year for car insurance. Every year. For that amount I can buy ammo insurance: a couple thousands of rounds each of 7.62 and 5.56. Except that I only have to do it once. Four cases of ammo doesn't take up much space. And in a best case scenario where it is never needed, you've got lots of enjoyable range time without stopping at the store to buy ammo. What do you have at the end of a year with a car insurance premium and no accidents? A new premium.

Calculate all the money we spend for all sorts of insurance that very often doesn't get used, several cases of ammo doesn't even make it on to the economic radar.

[Yosemitest]

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[ChildOfThe60s]

I had a Saiga before the boating accident. Outside of the more costly magazines, it is a darn good Russian made AK variant. If one considers the magazines to be a one time purchase, that’s not a big deal.

Hint. Get only SGM / Surefire mags for a Saiga. Promags are awful. Something about the feed, non stop feed jams. The mfg was very nice, replaced 3 of them for free, same thing. I had to throw $60 in mags (plus shipping) in the garbage. Out of 6 brand new, never got one single Promag to work reliably.