Posted on 04/12/2015 7:41:10 AM PDT by kanawa
This is yet another example of the ridiculous, irrelevant, petty sniping that goes on here on FR, while Rome burns.
With pleasure. I’ve been one of your allies on this thread. But by all means, revert to the victim position when you have misunderstood something. It isn’t the first time.
In the rare instances where such mammon would be forthcoming, turn it against them. Otherwise, "killing them with kindness" is a viable approach--and it is obvious that the courts are not going to provide Christian business owners any relief from the Homosexual jihad.
Not so much stop us from patronizing the businesses as shut down any Christian who refuses to serve them. It is a control thing.
The best way, in this judicial environment, is to provide them their cake, but to wear uniforms which reflect the Christian ethos of the bakery or other business.
Just make sure that the contract includes in 'terms and conditions' that your employees will be wearing their company livery and are required to do so as one of the terms of providing service.
If that is written in, either the customer accepts the terms and conditions of service or no deal.
You can put a lot in the fine print which will make those with hostile intent take pause about engaging your services, and which will lay the groundwork to recover any damages which may occur from malice or negligence on the part of your client or their guests.
Amen!
And I agree with you about the fact that this has been decades in the making.
But what I am saying is that coalition or alone, this is where I make my stand. I am not going to try to find some way to squirm around the law. I refuse to obey any law that forces me to violate my religious beliefs. And as a small business owner this is not a theoretical stand.
No. No more. Here it stops.
To quote Martin Luther, "Here I stand I can do no other, God help me."
Turn what against them? Lobbying through a government that has embraced the devil will get one nowhere and it will increase one’s guilt. Give an inch and they take a mile.
Is it obvious that the courts will continue to subvert the Constitution? Then it is time to dig in and not waver; remember that the one who wavers will receive nothing from God, as noted in James 1:5-8. The devil has the power to lay nations low, and has done so in the past.
“Traditional constitutionalists” are not “divided and conquered”; some here are not such, and their words show it, therefore it is folly to mistake them for such. Many thought of Mike Pence as such, until he quailed under the hot air of the 1.7 percent as represented by Tim Cook.
Nobody wants to kick the victims save those that tell them to knuckle under per Zuhlsdorf’s bad advice. Some of us, perhaps many of us, will resist unto blood—and that ought to be a joy to a Christian.
It means this issue will come up again and again and I think if people stood their ground that it will stop being an issue.
What does that mean? What would that look like?
Well, “apples and pineapples” wasn’t meant to be a lengthy discourse. It only contained three words.
As for the rest, making The Almighty's Word on the matter part of the wedding caterer's uniforms and putting in the fine print that those uniforms were a part of the required dress for the service providers would make the terms and conditions of the service something the homosexuals could accept or decline, but a standard part of the service rendered.
I see little likely objection to that by Christians, but the homosexuals might not like it.
As long as it is standard business practice, it is part of the way your business does things, and if the homosexuals decline those terms you don't have to serve them. Period. It becomes a question of contracts, not religion, although religion is involved in the homosexuals decision to decline using the service.
Me, I'm looking for another way to fight this even in courts which are sympathetic to the homosexuals which makes the courts have to deny the most fundamental business arrangements or rule in favor of Christians who will not supply the service. This isn't wavering, it is just another way to fight.
It isn’t a test. It’s asking God to change hearts and minds by placing a special blessing on the items going into the lions den without making a man made spectacle.
It means I believe if someone, or a lot of people actually, finally stood up to the bullies this nonsense would stop. It’s as simple, or should be as simple, as telling them “No!”. I don’t know what to tell you other than that. I know I’m not the only person that’s sick and tired of every bizarre whim being catered to. And it needs to stop now or there will be no limit that we will not just be subjected to, but made to celebrate. The First Amendment is real; it has real words that mean real things that have not changed in the 200+ years since they were written.
I don’t get it. Where could one donate to that is or has been successful in even slowing the homosexual agenda, much less stopping it?! God bless the private citizens that have determined that this is where they make their stand. May the devil’s schemes always be failures.
Thanks for the ping!
Not only that, but blood was shed for the sake of the Bill of Rights. But there will always be appeasers of bullies.
Right you are. And I commend you for your steadfast and patient explanation of your viewpoint in the face of many here who think it would be okay for you to compromise. Perhaps because it would make them feel better that they have. Sometimes the “right” road is lonely. God bless you and strengthen you.
May God bless you too. Regrettably, I noticed that the appeasers are a bit short on mentions of God, because having to face what He thinks would get in the way of their too-human reasoning. Reminds me of Benjamin Franklin’s admonition of what happens to those who trade their freedom for comfort and “safety”.
True that unless the Holy Spirit draws a man (John 6:44) they will not hear. However, its also true that we are not only to preach the Gospel to those who are ready to hear...but those who aren't. You have no idea if they will be listening or not. An honest conversation is what I am suggesting. They can choose to hear or not...Just like Agrippa or the Pharisees. Their unbelief didn't stop Jesus...it didn't stop Paul...and it shouldn't stop us.
Romans 10: 14, 15
Okay, yes, not happening yet. Sounds like a good plan, using principles of aikido and passive aggressive tools.
Maybe you can get a nice post in the DoD to review all battle plans and reject them because they’re not being implemented anywhere yet.
Apples and oranges.
You don’t fight immorality with immorality.
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