Posted on 04/12/2015 7:41:10 AM PDT by kanawa
Christians to Gays: We'll Accept Your Business and Donate Your Money to 'Traditional Pro-Family Lobby'
While gay activists are attacking Christian bakeries and wedding planners and filing lawsuits to put them out of business because of their religious beliefs, a Catholic priest has come up with a simple solution that, if adopted nationally, likely could end much of the gay and left-wing offensive in this realm.
Simply, accept all business from gays and tell them that the money will be donated to a traditional pro-family lobby or organization. And if your business is catering, for instance, show up at the gay wedding wearing a Cross necklace, a Bible-pin on your lapel, and a Bible verse embroidered on your uniform that expresses your morality, such as Mark 10:6-7, "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife."
As Fr. John Zuhlsdorf explains in his Apr. 2 blog post, "It’s time for everyone to calm down. We need a new approach. Think about this. When some homosexual couple comes to your Christian business for services at their immoral event, don’t panic. Go ahead and take their business!"
"Then explain what is going to happen next," says Fr. Z on his popular blog page.
"Tell them that the food and services will be just fine. And then inform them that all of the money that they pay for the services will be donated to a traditional pro-family lobby."
"If it is something like catering, where your employees have to be there to provide services, tell them that all your people will smile, be professional, and everyone of them will be wearing crucifixes and have the Holy Family embroidered on their uniforms," says Fr. Z.
"Then show them pictures of your uniforms," he writes. "When the truck pulls up, speakers will be playing Immaculate Mary. Show them the truck and play the music."
“Oh, you would be offended by that? I’m so sorry," notes Fr. Z. "You approached us because we are Christians. Right? We are happy to provide services for you and we are grateful that you chose to come to our Christian catering business. We just want to be of help.”
The priest continued, "Then tell them that you will take out an ad in the paper to let everyone know what you did with their money, thanking them by name for their business so that you could make the contribution."
"I suspect this approach, if adopted far and wide, would put an end to attacks on Christian businesses," said Fr. Z.
Fr. John Zuhlsdorf is a Catholic priest of the diocese of Velletri-Segni, which is a diocese in Italy close to Rome, headed by Bishop Vincenzo Apicella. Fr. Zuhlsdorf was ordained a priest by St. Pope John Paul II in 1991.
Fr. Zuhlsdorf currently resides in Madison, Wisc., where he serves as president of the Tridentine Mass Society of the Diocese of Madison, under Bishop Robert C. Morlino.
First rule: Never play hardball with an Italian Priest!
Regards,
GtG
My thought is that some people here want license to refuse service based on ...
Well religious objection has to be proven if challenged and in that case proof has to be brought that religion objects and tgat one otherwise follows the religion AND that there Is no pattern of bigotry
The Catholic Church is accepting of gays just not the lifestyle
“I agree with you. This is a silly and dangerous game. Why can’t we just assert our first amendment rights and not give in or compromise?”
You’d be paying an exorbitant fine, and then if you don’t pay it, and knuckle under you’ll go to jail. Are you ready and willing to do that? And will you have hoards of people rising up and marching on your behalf? Do we have any volunteers here?
The blacks, the gays have used the civil disobedient approach and it has worked for them, but many, including their leaders, were more than willing to spend time in jail, because their cause was that important to them.
I don’t see that this cause is as important to Christians and conservatives, at least not yet, because I don’t see anyone willing to defy the law and go to jail over it and to be supported by hoards of protesters, burning things, causing havoc... like what works for the other side.
Until we get to that point the left will continue winning. The reality is that most of us consider anathema the willful breaking of laws. We have not reached the realization that we’re already in a country where the rule of law is no longer in force, where the president, congress, members of preferred groups blatantly break the law everyday without consequences.
We still think that winning elections will solve the problem . Look at Indiana where the people have a republican governor and legislature. They pass a law that their people want, and within 24hr they cave completely.
What that shows is that even when we win elections the other side has enough weapons left that it can totally obliterate the elected officials and the election results and thus the desires of the people.
We have to ask ourselves, what are these other weapons that the left successfully used against the people of Indiana (and Arkansas, as well)? And how do we counter them??
Right now we’re naive babes in the wood when it comes to fighting this culture war.
They do right now because, as you've said, the majority has let itself be pushed around for decades by these corrupt, soulless tyrants. But that day is fast coming to an end. And I predict it will be over this issue.
If the government represents the desires of 1 percent of the population to the exclusion of the other 99 percent, then that government can no longer claim to be "of, for, and by the People." It is no longer legitimate, and its "laws" are nothing more than tools for the continued subjugation of certain subjects and the enrichment of others.
If you don’t see this cause as important to Christians and conservatives, then perhaps you do not understand either Christianity or conservatism? or understand the First Amendment? It is no use lulling oneself to sleep as to what has been happening for years and is now culminating—indeed if one professes naïveté in the face of it, then perhaps one is a lukewarm Christian.
Comparing the civil disobedience of gays to that of blacks is abhorrent—the gays do that all the time. And no, the gays are more willing to bully than to perish for their “cause”.
It is important for conservative statesmen to win elections rather than liberal panderers, when it comes to the electoral process. People who still see a difference between the Republican and Democratic parties are blinded to reality.
When a Christian baker does not provide services for so-called SSM weddings, that breaks no law. The Constitution is supreme over such laws, and unless one is saying that the Bill of Rights is no longer in effect, such an act is a breach of no law.
Only by those who file suit. Unless a judge refuses to hear the suit and throws it out of court.
Where?
The mode of attack is being misidentified. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will be defeated in every battle, as Sun Tzu said.
That is what I was wondering. Be careful and by all means make sure its not discriminatory. They would have to make sure non-gay money made also goes to pro family,pro marriage organ. They would also have to convey same christian speal to non-gays, etc.
Look into legal consequences before this is attempted.
Nope, I’m not willing to go to jail. If I were in a business that this were an issue I probably would transition to different services. I’m glad it’s not a decision I have to make. But I will support to all my ability the ones that do. What the pastor is suggestion, to me, is a compromise of principles. I don’t think that ever works out well.
This isn’t an issue about homosexuals, it’s a first amendment issue. As I asked before, if it were our weapons and not our faith I think k we’d see a much bigger push back. Which is a shame. Don’t we have the Christian leadership anymore to lead this charge?
Not sure I get your point.
Seriously? Yes.
I asked the same question about leadership. The left is certainly largely unified and even supports Islam despite their obvious stark deviations in terms of respective doctrine (not to mention that there is little deviation among the imams), but church leadership seems to display no such unity with respect to faith.
Imagine the liberal heads that would explode if the Christian Jewish and Muslim leadership were to unite on this freedom of religion issue.
Defiance of the law is not in question.
If one is not going to condone a behavior or a lifestyle for religious reasons, then they do not have to do so, under our constitution if it is listed as a tenet of their religion
But they can’t say they’re not performing a service they would do for others for their religion if the religion doesn’t object or if they are not practicing their religion otherwise. I mean they can, but if pressed in court, they’ll lose
They cannot refuse service out of hatred and win in court
If the gays are pushing this unfairly they’re mean, I guess, but not illegal.
There’s no reason to go to jail if ones religion backs them up. If the judge rules against the catechism, then that’s the time you’re talking about
But that hasn’t happened
It’s the going to court part people don’t want to do
They have to have an impeccable lifestyle. Chick film a. Hobby lobby, both of whom are not opened Sundays, btw, I mean you’d have to start there. People don’t want to close Sundays. But in the Catholic Church, disregarding a commandment, in this case, keeping holy the sabbath, is a mortal sin. There’s he’ll to pay. Being open every Sunday is way up there ahead of participating in a gay wedding, as going against the catechism. They’d lose in court
It becomes a matter of practicing ones faith, if one wants to use it for protection
The little sisters of the poor are in court to not have to participate in intrinsically evil practice of birth control
This is awful
how many shopowners are ready to go under scrutiny applicable to these nuns? That’s what it will take. You follow your religion so you don’t want to serve openly gay people? Ok. Well in court they’ll examine your general lifestyle against that catechism you’re calling on.
I would think
That’s how the enemy works. It leads one into defying ones faith and tgen puts one right into shame leaving one without that faith as something to use for defense
If the little sisters are ruled against and go to jail for noncompliance that’s a whole lot different from someone going to jail with no record of faith to back them up in court.
The gays are pushing this. Ok that’s the way of the world The bad guys win when the good guys act weak
That’s not happened, has it?
If one refuses to accept business from gays, one gets brought up on charges of discrimination
If one is willing to do that, fine. But they’ll be in trouble with the law
Are you following the news? This story? Or are you just jumping into the conversation wasting peoples’ time not knowing the story?
Giving in to tyranny will engender more tyranny, like I told another poster on this thread. It is important to recognize the times we live in.
What law?
Has the Bill of Rights been repealed?
Bill of Rights? Yep, pretty sure it was repealed by executive order.
And if they refuse to bake wedding cakes they're brought up on charges of discrimination, too. So why shouldn't the shop owner be able to claim religious values in both? Homosexuality is an abomination; Leviticus says that. Shop owners should be free to refuse to deal with people leading what they sincerely believe is a sinful life.
Are you following the news? This story? Or are you just jumping into the conversation wasting peoples’ time not knowing the story?
Yes I have, and I have supported the shop owners all along. I of the "freedom of association" side and believe that shop owners should have a right to refuse service to those who they disagree with.
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