Posted on 03/28/2015 5:52:00 AM PDT by C19fan
This week, the Supreme Court heard arguments re Texas’s refusal to allow Confederate flags to be stamped on license plates as part of a “Sons of Confederate Veterans” design. I wouldn’t ask sons of Confederate veterans to disown their ancestry; in fact, my mother’s mother’s family was Southern, and four of my great-great-grandfathers fought in the Confederate army. And I know that lots of Americans sincerely see the Confederate flag as a symbol of states’ rights — particularly because virtually no Confederate soldiers actually owned slaves. But, personally, I see the Confederate flag as the symbol of men who, as Lincoln put it, wrung their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces; who, “to strengthen, perpetuate, and extend” slavery, were willing to “rend the Union, even by war.” And I’m a very reasonable man.
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again, no one except you is making that claim. Grow up.
I have no idea. Either way, it’s irrelevant to the fact that your claim of speaking up about bigotry is false.
You failed to add a disclaimer, you know...”I’ll say something about bigotry unless someone from the other side posts something I don’t like.”
Nothing will do until all of us Southerners feel shame and admit that shame by abandoning our history and culture.
You’re straining at a gnat and your evidence is laughable. The knee-jerk strawman that any criticism of the confederacy equals southern bigotry is foolish and beneath you. No one here is making blanket attributions against southerners and to reach far back in search of affirmation and only come up with that is really pathetic.
I agree.
The Peace Conference did not involve the seven already-seceded states. Continued peace and non-secession of the remaining slave states was contingent on what they referred to as “non-coercion” of the states that had seceded. IOW, there would be peace if the Union didn’t fight back when attacked.
Well, duhh. No war occurs if one side doesn’t fight back.
The Peace Commission was similarly based on a precondition that secession be accepted. Since the validity of secession was itself the issue in contention, one can be forgiven for believing that the Commission wasn’t really serious.
Particularly since the CSA was already committing acts of war against the USA, such as encouraging and fomenting insurrection in MO and KY, while pretending to negotiate.
“can’t help thinking that it’s time that the South, en bloc, abandoned the Confederacy and embraced the heritage of Southern Unionists.”
LOL! This guy must be on crack.
‘IMO this shouldn’t be happening in the first place.
No theme plates, no vanity plates, no plates to save the manatee or any other cause.
License plates should be uniform and have a number with a state & county on it.”
Agreed, but if TX. does allow these vanity plates then the Confederacy should be allowed also, as a matter of free speech.
It isn't about me. It's about your false claim that you would stand up to bigotry if you saw it. The fact that you're swelling up like a toad is confirmation, isn't it?
" The knee-jerk strawman that any criticism of the confederacy equals southern bigotry is foolish and beneath you."
I'd like to be able to say that attempting to switch my words around is beneath you, but I guess it isn't.
I said nothing about criticism of the Confederacy. I didn't even use the word "Confederacy." Refer back to my post. I described a picture of hillbillies with the caption "Southern 'culture' ".
" No one here is making blanket attributions against southerners"
No, but that image I described WAS a blanket attribution, and one which you let slide without a word of protest.
" and to reach far back in search of affirmation and only come up with that is really pathetic."
You're caught in a lie, rockrr. Own it.
Nope. Osceola was burned by an unauthorized militia/mob of Kansas Redlegs under Jim Lane.
Unless you can provide documentary evidence of Lincoln ordering the burning or even the attack?
This claim is tantamount to claiming that Davis ordered the Lawrence Massacre, a much greater atrocity.
There were blacks in the ranks,primarily as servants of officers. Some probably went armed and even fired on the enemy, as slaves have done throughout history.
But the CSA specifically excluded blacks from service as soldiers. They didn’t relent till about six weeks before the war ended, and then only on the plea of General Lee himself.
BTW, a slave fighting for his master’s cause shows about as much belief in that cause as the actions of the horse the master rides. Slaves, by definition, cannot be volunteers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ra9cXx1-o
If you really care I would suggest you research Lincoln more. He was no friend of slaves.
I would love to claim him (Lincoln)as a great defender of equal rights because he was a republican and it looks like it would be fun to throw that in the face of modern day democrats but the fact is he was only using the slaves and slavery as a means to his end which was more Fed Gov power.
Thank you for not attacking me as a racist.
The issue of slavery was much more complicated than just “ending it”. Imagine the issues that would surround such a major change at that time, that is the considerations that had to be dealt with.
Slaves and slave owners did not have the relationship that is commonly promoted in modern movies and “historical” accounts. Any honest researcher can find this however we have been so conditioned that the general public has no idea what reality of those arrangement where.
I would argue most blacks are more indentured today to the State and Fed Gov than slaves were to their”owners” during slavery.
Disgusting.
You allege that there was a picture that you allege was posted once upon a time that you allege was somehow defamatory to southerners that you allege that I saw but (you allege) I failed to condemn, thus proving....something.
Of course it’s about you. Try again.
This time try to find credible evidence that anyone here is posting denigrative remarks to me about southerners and that I am agreeing with, and I’ll happily “own it”.
Try to embrace the Emancipation Proclamation of southerners from Northern revisionist history. LOL!
LOL! No.
"Try again."
No need.
I prefer the original, thanks.
Lane was taking orders from Lincoln.
Lawrence gets all the attention but it pales in comparison to all that the redlegs did by Lincolns orders.
Lincoln burnt Osceola in retaliation to his main objector in the senate.
Lincoln sent messengers to order Lane and his companions. Many of them were intercepted.
Lincoln wanted the war. It worked, look at Fedzilla now he got his wish.
“Confederate states were forced to remain in the federal club, even though they didn’t want to. What’s “free” about that?”
Simultaneously holding slaves, and yearning for freedom.
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