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The Romance of the Confederacy
National Review ^ | March 28, 2015 | Josh Gelernter

Posted on 03/28/2015 5:52:00 AM PDT by C19fan

This week, the Supreme Court heard arguments re Texas’s refusal to allow Confederate flags to be stamped on license plates as part of a “Sons of Confederate Veterans” design. I wouldn’t ask sons of Confederate veterans to disown their ancestry; in fact, my mother’s mother’s family was Southern, and four of my great-great-grandfathers fought in the Confederate army. And I know that lots of Americans sincerely see the Confederate flag as a symbol of states’ rights — particularly because virtually no Confederate soldiers actually owned slaves. But, personally, I see the Confederate flag as the symbol of men who, as Lincoln put it, wrung their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces; who, “to strengthen, perpetuate, and extend” slavery, were willing to “rend the Union, even by war.” And I’m a very reasonable man.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civil; confederacy; dixie; lawsuit; scv; texas; union; virginia
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There was strong Union sentiment in Appalachia. These were small landowners who abhorred the plantation political-economic system and the aristocracy that accompanied it. Two of the greatest Union commanders were Southerners; Farragut and George Thomas. I live now in Richmond and there are a lot of monuments to the great Confederate military leaders from VA. It would be nice to see a monument to another great VA general in Gen. George Thomas. Given what tends to happen with these type of posts I will hide behind the couch. Have fun! :)
1 posted on 03/28/2015 5:52:00 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

PC has done in American history. The real historical shame is the deification of one of the most ruthless bloody Presidents the US ever had, Lincoln.


2 posted on 03/28/2015 5:55:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: C19fan

Dag nabbit! Dem Yankee varmints are gonna get their comeuppance! Der Souf will rise again I tell ya!


3 posted on 03/28/2015 5:59:43 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GO WISCONSIN BADGERS GO!)
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To: C19fan

IMO this shouldn’t be happening in the first place.

No theme plates, no vanity plates, no plates to save the manatee or any other cause.

License plates should be uniform and have a number with a state & county on it.

BTW, the folks in Florida who pay $100 a year (or whatever it is now) for a plate to save the manatee or support whatever cause that makes them feel good about themselves? You should know that the state takes a percentage of the money for “administration” fees and the byzantine method for disbursing the money means that some of your money is possibly going to someone else’s cause.

If you care about a cause, and aren’t aiming to show everyone else how much you care, donate directly to the cause. Don’t give any more money to the state.


4 posted on 03/28/2015 6:08:00 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: C19fan

“I see the Confederate flag as the symbol of men who, as Lincoln put it, wrung their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces...”

That viewpoint is his problem since he is not a Southerner. The Confederate flag has never symbolized slavery to any Southerner; it symbolizes a people, and a people who fought, not for slavery, but an invading army. Real men in this country use to fight invaders because of love of country, their people, other lofty motives. Now, only base motives are assigned to those instincts, such as racism. Currently, I am supposed to revere May 5, rather than something that symbolizes part of my heritage.


5 posted on 03/28/2015 6:11:57 AM PDT by odawg
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Good post.

This is the fourth thread on this “much ado about nothing” topic. If one wants to honor the Manatee get a bumper sticker. Don’t get your (editorial you) panties in a twist because the gubmint declines to participate in your idiotic activities.


6 posted on 03/28/2015 6:17:49 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

What’s idiotic is Southern hatred.


7 posted on 03/28/2015 6:19:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I agree that bigotry is rather pointless. If I ever see it I’ll probably say something.


8 posted on 03/28/2015 6:21:51 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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If I ever see it I’ll probably say something.

It's a good idea that you have stayed away form mirrors.

9 posted on 03/28/2015 6:24:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: C19fan

“rend the Union, even by war.”

Odd comment coming from Lincoln — considering he was the one who ordered the invasion of the southern states.


10 posted on 03/28/2015 6:29:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: central_va

FU cva.

You piss & moan and wet your panties about anything “yankee” and then have the gall to call anyone else a bigot. FU again.

And then get over yourself.


11 posted on 03/28/2015 6:33:01 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va

Some history is more equal than other history.


12 posted on 03/28/2015 6:36:15 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: C19fan

One of the biggest lies in American History is that the Civil War was started over slavery. When even the smallest bit of research can uncover Lincoln conceded the issue of slavery to the South during the negotiations leading to secession and made it clear it was not a contentious issue in his Inaugural speech.


13 posted on 03/28/2015 6:36:28 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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Don't you get it? See what really happened is that all southerners were lazy and did not work. Only blacks worked in the antebellum South and they picked, built and did everything. They laid every brick and dug every ditch. The only excise that whites got was from swinging a whip.

The War was to protect slavery on and and had nothing to to with states rights or independence from the Northern interests. The Southerners fought to keep their slaves even if most didn't own any. The war was about slavery and only slavery. The South should be ashamed and we need to suppress and forget about that nasty War. Anyone that sees this any other way is a racist.

I learned all this from Freepers.

14 posted on 03/28/2015 6:38:40 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr
FU cva.

Calm down and wipe the spittle off your face.

15 posted on 03/28/2015 6:40:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You learned nothing. You have eyes but do not see. You have a brain but you’re loathe to use it. And stop with your projection - it’s pathetic.


16 posted on 03/28/2015 6:44:32 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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It would be nice to see a monument to another great VA general in Gen. George Thomas.

There's Thomas Circle, at 14th and M Street NW in Washington, DC. Back in the 1970's, 14th Street grew increasingly dangerous as one proceeded north from Thomas Circle into a high crime area, but the neighborhood has since become gentrified.

17 posted on 03/28/2015 6:44:51 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Mechanicos

The discord between the sections was ultimately all about slavery, as any other issue could have been and indeed was compromised.

That discord evolved into hate, which led to secession.

Secession, and the actions the CSA took in support of it, led to war.

So you’re correct that emancipation was not an initial Union war aim. But the protection of slavery was an, indeed the primary, Confederate war aim.

So while your contention is accurate, it’s also pretty much irrelevant. The process of emancipation started only months after the war began and continued progressively and steadily throughout the war, ending in December 1865 with the emancipation of the last slaves and the destruction of the institution of slavery by 13A.

That Lincoln and others were willing to make concessions on the issue of slavery to the South to prevent a war does not mean slavery was not an important issue to them. Merely that, contrary to neo-confederate charges, they were willing to do “almost” anything to prevent secession and war.


18 posted on 03/28/2015 6:45:16 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (>)
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To: Mechanicos

The Emancipation Proclamation also only affected areas not under Northern Control.
It did not apply to slaves in border states fighting on the Union side; nor did it affect slaves in southern areas already under Union control.


19 posted on 03/28/2015 6:45:27 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: central_va

Some schools start history for high school around 1930. No need discussing the Civil War or World War 1, dive right in to the start of the socialist state.


20 posted on 03/28/2015 6:46:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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