You start your discussion with an insult.
My insult is based on you completely ignoring the evidence. Or maybe you've never seen any of the Mac vs PC ads, in which case I helpfully posted a link to youtube for you in post 26. The VERY FIRST ad in that compendium is Apple making fun of Microsoft, and trying to claim, and I quote, "[Macs] are better at a lot of stuff, like pictures, music, movies.." You argue Apple isn't going against anyone, yet their entire mac v pc ad lineup is Apple denigrating Windows, suggesting current PC users switch to a Mac because it's better. Find a new argument, quit repeating yourself. Maybe read and actually respond to our arguments instead of repeating the same talking points. Intelligent debate. I know it's something rare for any Apple (or anti-Apple!) fanboi. Just like the Glock idiots, or the Catholic bashers.
NO, Apple is not competing with an Operating system. Apple is selling a user experience. Apple is not selling an operating system!
Apple is selling a computer that comes with it's own OS. Given that Apple really doesn't support modular construction, they really can't say they are competing in the hardware department. Macs are all pre-built and mostly non-user-modifiable. (I don't count swapping RAM or harddrives. You can't build a Mac from parts.) Apple doesn't target ads at Dell or Lenovo, they target ads at Microsoft. So yes, I would say they are competing against Windows moreso then Lenovo or any pc manufacturers. Or, I'll help you out and change into Newspeak: Apple's user experience is doing the same thing as against Microsoft's user experience. That user experience is how people interact with their software and hardware. And Apple sells one product, Microsoft sells another in conjunction with the pc manufacturers. Same product, different brands. Or do you think Ford's diesel F250 doesn't compete with Ram's gas powered 1500? They run on different fuels, so obviously they have completely separate customer bases, right?
Again you Anti-Apple haters miss the point. Apple doesn't sell an operating system to buyers. The consumers cannot buy it and install it on their computers. Sorry.
Actually, yes, you can install OS# on non-Apple computers. Have you ever heard the term Hackintosh? Also, following
this link to apple.com shows you just where Apple sells their OS to you, the buyer. For $19.99, free shipping. For a rabid pro-Apple dude, you really don't know much about their products. Just like the other thread where you didn't know Apple laptops' video-out adaptors were sold separately.
You still miss the point.
The point being what, exactly? That you think Apple doesn't sell exactly what they sell?
Apple doesn't ever mention Microsoft in their ads. . . they refer to PC. . . and Mac. The customers they are directing their ads to are their future customers.
And, by PC, they mean Windows, the only OS they are really competing with. Linux doesn't have that office-geeky feel, and that leaves... Windows. And who, exactly, do you think their future customers are? You have two options here: current Mac users, and non-Mac users. (Hint: the second option is the guys who currently use their, wait for it...
competitors!)
I am beginning to think you anti-Apple haters will always miss the point. . . you are that dense.
Actually, you would be the anti-Apple hater; we would be the so-called Apple haters, or be anti-Apple. And yes, when you keep repeating yourself, there really isn't much of a point for us to get. You're trying to spear us with a club here. (Haha joke's on you - we're too dense for that!)
Funny though, just because I'm not a rabid pro-Apple fanboi, you assume I'm rabidly anti-Apple. Just because I think they have some stupid designs on some of their products, and don't care for some of their business model, doesn't mean I hate Apple. As bolobaby mentioned in 51, you are so defensive about any littlest slight to Apple that it really begs the question of why you're even on this forum. You take any kind of critique and immediately go on the defensive, reposting the same crap over and over. Disappointing.
On another post:
That is not competing against other computer makes, that is just doing business. You do not understand what we are talking about. . . and deliberately obfuscating the issues. What you just described is what we were saying.
YOU are the one trying to obfuscate here. How do you possibly not define "doing business" as "competing against"? Apple isn't in a market in which there is nothing similar, they are actually in a market where they sell the same product as a multitude of other manufacturers. Just because Apple sells the whole pie, while Microsoft depends on Lenovo/Dell/etc to sell the crust for their own filling, doesn't mean Apple isn't selling the same pies as everyone else, just with a different recipe.
My insult is based on you completely ignoring the evidence. Or maybe you've never seen any of the Mac vs PC ads, in which case I helpfully posted a link to youtube for you in post 26. The VERY FIRST ad in that compendium is Apple making fun of Microsoft, and trying to claim, and I quote, "[Macs] are better at a lot of stuff, like pictures, music, movies.." You argue Apple isn't going against anyone, yet their entire mac v pc ad lineup is Apple denigrating Windows, suggesting current PC users switch to a Mac because it's better. Find a new argument, quit repeating yourself. Maybe read and actually respond to our arguments instead of repeating the same talking points. Intelligent debate. I know it's something rare for any Apple (or anti-Apple!) fanboi. Just like the Glock idiots, or the Catholic bashers. AGAIN YOU START WITH INSULTS.
I have not ignored any evidence. It is you anti-Apple hecklers who are ignoring the evidence right in front of your faces. I told you exactly what Apple was doing but you choose to ignore it. I am not going to respond to your screed but I am going to say this one more time. Apple is NOT marketing against Microsoft or any particular of the one or even a group of Windows computer manufacturers. Apple was marketing about USER EXPERIENCE. . . and it was against the whole USER EXPERIENCE of the combined PC ecosystem. . . the whole non-working together widget. Apple was offering a system that worked. They were offering the users an alternative to the pain of the PC computer, the whole thing, that people were VERY FAMILIAR WITH, not an OS, not a machine, not the software, the whole bleeping thing. . . with all the cruft that went along with it.
The rest of your sophomoric screed is merely an attempt to make me look ignorant of things I have posted on FR about for over 10 years. You cannot do that, so give it a rest. YOU are the Apple-hater and you are not going to re-define that. TROLL!
You are helping make the argument of the article quite nicely. Thank you.