Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

To: BroJoeK

Please note that my comment predicted a very slow death of the institution of slavery, although perhaps faster than the death of the abusive conditions in post-war Dixie. But your post is very interesting, and made me research further.

Your passage states that “In the decades before 1860, Deep South cotton production doubled, and doubled again, while cotton prices rose much faster than inflation — even including Federal import tariffs.”

I find this assertion about prices flatly contradicted by the data I can find. While production increased sharply, prices were very stagnant, having collapsed prior to 1830 and remaining quite low until the Civil War created a shortage.

I wonder if perhaps you are falsely figuring that an increase in demand of slaves means that slave plantations must be thriving? If the price of labor is booming, and the price of a product is so stagnant, then perhaps the death of slavery would have been coming faster than I foresaw it. The population of slaves in the decade prior to the Civil War increased 23%, compared to an overall population growth of 36%. This means that supply wasn’t keeping up with demand, resulting in higher labor costs, resulting in LOWER profits.


281 posted on 03/20/2015 1:27:45 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 274 | View Replies ]


To: dangus

The bulk of the population growth in the US you cite was in the north, driven by European immigrants, very few of whom were attracted to the south because of the lack of opportunity there. The southern white population growth was much smaller. For example, between 1850 and 1860, Mississippi’s white population grew by 58,000 while it’s slave population grew by 126,000.


284 posted on 03/20/2015 2:18:55 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 281 | View Replies ]

To: dangus; Bubba Ho-Tep; x; Regal; stremba; jmacusa; snarkybob; central_va
dangus: "I find this assertion about prices flatly contradicted by the data I can find.
While production increased sharply, prices were very stagnant, having collapsed prior to 1830 and remaining quite low until the Civil War created a shortage."

I plead guilty to quoting numbers from memory, never a good practice, so don't anybody else do it. ;-)

But since you asked, I'll quote you the actual numbers from page 21 of the book referenced above:

So, quoting those figures from memory, I don't think I did so badly, certainly getting the gist it correct -- in 1860 the Deep South was booming economically like never before, or since.
This is reflected in every important economic number from that period.

287 posted on 03/20/2015 3:29:04 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 281 | View Replies ]

To: dangus
The population of slaves in the decade prior to the Civil War increased 23%, compared to an overall population growth of 36%.

The population of slaves was confined entirely to the Southern states. That 23% increase was very significant in states that saw very little in the way of new immigrants.

The overall 38% population growth was for the entire nation and spurred by immigration from Europe, primarily Ireland and the German states, and that immigrant population was primarily concentrated in Northern states.

The South was becoming short on new lands for plantations (and the needs for slave labor) while the North was looking for new lands for single family farms for the new immigrants.

Hence, the conflicts over Homesteading, Dred Scott, the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the expansion of slavery to the Western territories.

It wasn't slavery per se that caused the Civil War... it was the conflict over the expansion of slavery that caused it. In other words, who would win the West. Freemen or Slavery.

302 posted on 03/20/2015 8:14:09 PM PDT by Ditto
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 281 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson