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1 posted on 03/06/2015 7:37:38 PM PST by Hootowl
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Didn’t czech/slovak citizens used to put cut logs in the treads of soviet tanks during various ‘events?’


2 posted on 03/06/2015 7:41:55 PM PST by posterchild (It takes a politician to declare a settled science.)
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I was actually watching a program a couple of hours ago about the Russian capture of Berlin.

The Russian veteran they were interviewing said they first tried to take the city using armor but the Germans had a weapon called the Panzerfaust which would cut right through the tanks armor.

He said they had to withdraw the tanks and lead with infantry then the tanks behind them.

They defined the word pazerfaust as meaning “armor fist” but I am not sure they got it right.


3 posted on 03/06/2015 7:44:16 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Most war drones use guided missiles/bombs to attack their objective. To use a drone to “drop” a grenade on a tank would, in my opinion, be very inaccurate and not very effective.


4 posted on 03/06/2015 7:47:11 PM PST by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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If the tank engines are running, the US has a smart fused bomb that contains rocket propelled heat seeking shaped charges that parachute down, looking for targets, and self destruct if none found.

Expensive, but it also demoralized troops when they see one pass take out a bunch of vehicles. In Iraq, a light marine battalion was going up against Iraqi armor, and called in air support. One or two bombs took out a third of the Iraqi vehicles, and the Iraqis surrendered.

5 posted on 03/06/2015 7:51:08 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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A shape charge buried in the road that could be detonated remotely would be better.


7 posted on 03/06/2015 7:52:46 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Ukies aren’t all that intelligent to be completely un-P.C. and truthful with you. I knew a few in college.


9 posted on 03/06/2015 7:55:13 PM PST by Rodamala
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Obama isn’t going to give the Ukrainians anything but a Russian conquest and renewed communism.


10 posted on 03/06/2015 7:55:54 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (madmax)
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Well it might work but somebody would have to sneak up and physically attach the thermite to the tank as a grenade would not stick upon contact. It would just roll off.

What the Ukranians need is about 500 Javelins. They could really punish the Russians/separatists with those.


14 posted on 03/06/2015 8:02:16 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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You people are behind the times.

In Iraq in 2003, 500-pound concrete dud training smart bombs were used to destroy tanks sitting between houses from the air without collateral damage, but with the inertial energy of the falling block alone. With their accuracy, the concrete blocks went right through the turret tops and turned tanks into instant scrap piles. Usually knocked the turret entirely off.


18 posted on 03/06/2015 8:11:42 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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1. Drones can carry missiles and bombs. There are no latch points for grenades.
2. Grenades have no steerable fins or guidance control, so they will land wherever their speed, trajectory, time to fall, and the wind and gusts place it. If you hung it by a wire for the drone to drop it, that’s the best you can do.
3. Grenades ignite a set number of seconds after the pin is pulled. There is no proximity sensor or contact trigger to set it off.
4. Assuming the grenade hits the tank, it will bounce at least once, so no guarantee of contact.
5. If the final resting place is in a specific area and it has not been burning too long it might or might not damage the tank. Over the engine, it might burn through. On the turret, much less likely. Anywhere else and the tank armor might get thinned a bit, but it will not burn through.

In short, the most reliable method to get a thermite grenade onto a tank to try and burn through and disable it is up close and personal.

Not recommended.


21 posted on 03/06/2015 8:32:18 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzlims trying to kill them)
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I believe the thermite grenades may bounce once.


22 posted on 03/06/2015 8:34:26 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Do you know who Barry Soetoro is?)
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1) piloting a drone from a distance using the on board camera is much more difficult than it looks

2) dropping anything, but especially a thermite grenade requires the drone be almost on top of the tank

3) drones are LOUD and can be easily located esp on a quiet night.

4) many small drones do not have that great of a range 400 m and WELL inside the range of any soviet tank.


24 posted on 03/06/2015 8:38:02 PM PST by taxcontrol
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The Rooskies trained dogs to carry bombs under German tanks. That seems a little sketchy in a lot of ways, but they had some success. Germans were shooting dogs on sight.
Maybe Ukranians could train their Democrats to do the same thing?


25 posted on 03/06/2015 8:40:45 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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How about an RC quad copter with CCTV and TH3 [thermite] grenade? Hover over the tank's engine deck and drop the grenade. The U.S. M14 TH3 grenade burns at 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit and would easily burn through the steel engine deck and into engine. The molten metal would set the diesel fuel and oil afire. The fire will either immobilize or destroy the tank when it reaches the ammunition stowage.
26 posted on 03/06/2015 8:41:23 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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You have been reading too many “Patriot” books.


27 posted on 03/06/2015 8:42:38 PM PST by Vermont Lt (When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
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Well partner, I sure hope we helped you with your questions.
It looks like we covered them, then flat ran out of steam.


33 posted on 03/06/2015 9:30:18 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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Forget it - this isn’t your Daddy’s tank - modern Russian tanks are equipped with area protection systems which would make short work of your drone. See here for the specs:

ARENA-E Active Protection System for AFV
http://defense-update.com/20040221_arena-e.html#.VPrkKmZMGbg

“The system is designed to protect the tank from attacks of anti-tank guided missiles launched from the ground and by attack helicopter and lightweight anti-tank grenades (such as RPG).”


38 posted on 03/07/2015 3:44:28 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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I recall reading of guerrilla fighters against the Germans making antitank weapons by putting blocks of explosive in socks and covering the outside with grease. When the tank passed by their hiding place, they'd light the fuse, slap the thing against the tank, counting on the grease to make it stick, then try to get away. Obviously high risk, but apparently effective enough to keep doing it.
42 posted on 03/07/2015 2:58:22 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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I’ve always been a big fan of the Javelin myself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VdRnY-TUb4


43 posted on 03/07/2015 3:22:02 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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Tactical aspect aside (it is really too much a stupid idea to consider or discuss for real), I have naively thought there is a cease-fire agreement in place.


46 posted on 03/08/2015 8:30:44 AM PDT by Paid_Russian_Troll
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