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Ted Cruz IS a natural born citizen
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Posted on 02/27/2015 8:41:40 PM PST by Signalman

Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, CA on December 22nd, 1970. At the time of his birth, his mother was an American citizen.

Now picture a female American soldier stationed in, say, Germany. She gives birth to a boy. The boy was not born in CONUS, but there is no doubt he is an American citizen because his mother is a US citizen.

To me, Cruz's situation is equvilaent.

There is nothing in the Constutution, to my knowledge stating that Cruz would not be eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth.


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1 posted on 02/27/2015 8:41:40 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Signalman

I too was born in Canada, to an American mother and a Canadian father. Yet when I immigrated to the USA, I was told I was only eligible for a green card. I had to wait 3 years to apply for citizenship.
So, how is Ted’s situation different?


2 posted on 02/27/2015 8:50:16 PM PST by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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To: Signalman

... LOL ... now we’re going to have the BIRTHERS on Free Republic about Cruz!

HEY! I’m not kidding actually ... I’ve already seen a FReeper thread saying Cruz is INELIGIBLE!

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I’m not a BIRTHER ... I thought Obama’s Hawaii Birth Certificate was fine, since the State of Hawaii verified it!

AND don’t bother “beating a dead horse” because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened with the BIRTHER issue ... exactly as I said, back in 2008!


3 posted on 02/27/2015 8:50:26 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Signalman

You’re either a “Natural” or “Naturalized” citizen. One is ‘by birth’ and the other ‘by paperwork’.


4 posted on 02/27/2015 8:50:55 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: Signalman

I told you so! ... LOL ...


5 posted on 02/27/2015 8:51:22 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Signalman
there is no doubt he is an American citizen because his mother is a US citizen

You're most probably right. But the whole idea of the "natural born" clause is to minimize foreign influence on the President. Would a person born in Germany, and presumably raised at least some of the time in Germany, have an innate pro-German bias? I think so, and that would be dangerous.

I sure wish the Founders had been more specific as to what "natural born" really means. IMHO, it should mean born in the USA, to parents both of whom are American citizens.

6 posted on 02/27/2015 8:55:47 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: mkleesma

You waited until you were an adult. He didn’t.


7 posted on 02/27/2015 8:57:12 PM PST by impimp
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To: mkleesma

Because no one lied to Cruz’s parents?

To the editor: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, provided the American parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth.

For birth between Dec. 24, 1952, and Nov. 13, 1986, a period of 10 years — five after the age of 14 — is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Since Cruz entered the United States in possession of a United States passport, I presume his mother met the physical presence requirements of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Stuart Shelby, Santa Monica

The writer is a retired immigration judge.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-le-0228-saturday-ted-cruz-20150228-story.html


8 posted on 02/27/2015 8:57:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Signalman

It doesn’t matter what you believe of think you believe. Citizenship isn’t a feeling. Ted needs to have documentation from the State Department saying that he was born a US Citizen. If you are born on a Military base overseas, or diplomatic installation(like McCain) then you are a US Citizen because it is US property(just like an embassy). If you are born in Asscrackistan, Canuckistan to a foreign Citizen, you aren’t a US Citizen.

But none of that matters, because I doubt this Country will last much longer regardless. The experiment is coming to an end. Time to arm up.


9 posted on 02/27/2015 9:02:16 PM PST by JFoobar
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To: Signalman

ANOTHER THREAD ON SAME SUBJECT TONIGHT!

WARNING TO ALL WHO WANT TO PURSUE CRUZ IS NOT ELEGIBLE

10 posted on 02/27/2015 9:03:15 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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  A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act

  Certainly, Ted Cruz is a citizen by statute.
11 posted on 02/27/2015 9:05:30 PM PST by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Star Traveler

“AND don’t bother “beating a dead horse” because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened with the BIRTHER issue ... exactly as I said, back in 2008!”

Nothing happened because it involved a “D” - wait until you see the 24/7 media hysteria when it involves an “R”. So let’s make even the media sick of this “news” by bludgeoning this dead horse to a pulp now.


12 posted on 02/27/2015 9:06:24 PM PST by Let's Roll (Before it can get any better it has to stop getting worse - vote 4 most conservative available)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one non-citizen parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, provided the American parent was physically present in the >>>United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth.

For birth between Dec. 24, 1952, and Nov. 13, 1986, a period of 10 years — five after the age of 14 — is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.<<<

Which is why Obama is not a U.S. Citizen by Birth. His Father was not an American Citizen and his Mother did not meet the five year requirement to transfer Citizenship to her Son, Barry Soetero.

13 posted on 02/27/2015 9:11:36 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If you think the Mulatto Marxist is bad, just wait until the Menopausal Marxist shows up.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

According to his VERY reliable birth certificate, he was born in Hawaii, so that doesn’t apply to him. Now, if we had proof he was born in Kenya, that would be different.


14 posted on 02/27/2015 9:14:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

But for his phony birth certificate...and the fact that the Supreme Court has evidently decided not to act on this matter.


15 posted on 02/27/2015 9:18:40 PM PST by onedoug
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To: JFoobar

I know you are wrong on the first claim and hope you are wrong on your second.

There is much Constitutional documentation backing up Cruz NBC.


16 posted on 02/27/2015 9:21:05 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: JFoobar

Stop if you’re overseas working for the government then your kid is in, if you’re working for yourself then your kid is out. Doesn’t make sense.


17 posted on 02/27/2015 9:21:54 PM PST by Raymann
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To: Signalman
The founders were familiar with Vattel's The Law of Nations:

  § 212. Of the citizens and naturals.

   “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
18 posted on 02/27/2015 9:26:01 PM PST by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Signalman

Only Cruz will receive my natural-born vote for President of the United States.


19 posted on 02/27/2015 9:29:28 PM PST by WIBamian (Cruz for President. Alabama Senator Jeff Session for Vice-President. There really is no one else.)
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To: mkleesma
I too was born in Canada, to an American mother and a Canadian father. Yet when I immigrated to the USA, I was told I was only eligible for a green card. I had to wait 3 years to apply for citizenship. So, how is Ted’s situation different?

Cruz' parents immediately advised the U.S. Consul in Calgary and he was immediately provided with proof of citizenship-at-birth.

Evidently, your parents did not so apply. Or were you an adult (post-18) when you immigrated? If so, you would've foregone your legal claim on U.S. citizenship.

20 posted on 02/27/2015 9:34:24 PM PST by okie01
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