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To: Svartalfiar
Well let me join that 1.7%. Every time I get a client bringing a Mac, they always have resolution issues, needing a new MacDongle ($40-50 bonus charge on each new model!! Get it while it's hot, cause next month's model will have a new adaptor!) and are generally a pain to work with. Windows may have plenty of problems, but at least with that you can make changes and most likely fix the problem yourself. If a Mac has issues, you'd best be making that appointment at a Mac Store asap

What century are you telling your lies from? First of all, the only new Macs you could possibly be referring to are the Mac Mini or the new Mac Pro and if you are connecting them to a non-Mac Monitor, you need only one of two possible adaptors for the past five years. . . either MiniDisplayPort to SVGA or MiniDisplayPort to DVI depending on what monitor you want to connect. That's it. The Macs that come without built-in Monitors ship with the two adaptors included. So there's another lie.

Macs shipped in the last decade without monitors, the Mac Pros, came with video cards that had DVI, SVGA, and standard VGA out, and used industry standard cables as well as Apple's own Video cable to drive their own monitors, supplying power, USB, and Firewire. . . but since it also provided standard video out, you lie again. What Macs are you talking about that needed "MacDongles?" I'm waiting with bated breath for your answer, Svartalfiar.

Even twenty years ago when Apple required some specific adaptors, they usually SHIPPED the adaptors with the Macs. So again, you don't seem know what you are talking through your hat about on modern Apple products. You are spreading lying FUD.

The Mac will auto detect the best resolution the monitor is designed for and adjust best color settings for that model. So you are LYING through your teeth. They also work if you want to add a second monitor to an iMac or Macbook Air or Pro. So exactly WHAT are you blithering about?

Oh, and if someone does need a new video adaptor because it has somehow failed, both adaptors are only $29 each. . . not $40-$50 as you exaggerated, showing again, you don't know what you are talking about.

May I suggest you stop doing any work at all on Macs? You are not qualified to do it at all. By the way, I have only been in the business of supporting both Windows and Macs for over 35 years. Don't try to blow smoke at me.

Why do you anti-Apple trolls have to lie? SHEESH!

115 posted on 02/21/2015 11:39:07 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker
if you are connecting them to a non-Mac Monitor,

Why do you assume everyone stuck using a Mac is also going to have an Apple monitor? Apple doesn't make any kind of monitor we would use. Usually we're connected to the Barco ScreenPro II, ImagePro, PresPro, or Analog Way's Pulse 300. For some small rooms they go straight to the projector, usually NECs or Panasonics. Most of our gear has VGA inputs, limited DVI, and is only starting to be more upgraded to HDSDI or fully-capable DVI.

you need only one of two possible adaptors for the past five year... either MiniDisplayPort to SVGA or MiniDisplayPort to DVI depending on what monitor you want to connect. That's it. The Macs that come without built-in Monitors ship with the two adaptors included. So there's another lie.

Really? Because I've seen larger MacBooks with dvi out (usually needed to adapt to VGA), newer ones with miniDPort, some with full DPort, and some with miniVGA (that's the one with the squared U-shape inside the connector). And from my experience with presenters, most never got the Macdaptor with their laptop, it's an extra purchase. Either that, or they were too dumb to know what it was, in which case there is quite a lot of not-so-bright people buying Macs.

What Macs are you talking about that needed "MacDongles?"

Every single Mac laptop. The ONE exception being the older 17" (19?) big ones, that had DVI. Back then, however, you usually still had to adapt it to VGA, because most gear wasn't equipped with a fully useable DVI input.

The Mac will auto detect the best resolution the monitor is designed for and adjust best color settings for that model. So you are LYING through your teeth. They also work if you want to add a second monitor to an iMac or Macbook Air or Pro. So exactly WHAT are you blithering about?

EVERY laptop does that, it's called EDID and it only works if your monitor or switcher supports it. Also, if you have a longer run so you're converting VGA to 5wire, you lose any EDID capability. So now the Mac knows nothing about what it's sending video to. Then I'm not even sure if DVI-over-CAT5 or DVI-fiber passes EDID through. Also, for some of our gear, you have to know a decent bit (and it's extra steps) to set up EDID on the inputs, and most of our techs don't know how (or why) to do this. Most Macs refuse to do 1280x720 naturally, you can ONLY get that resolution if your EDID forces it. (And even then, sometimes it doesn't work.) But like I said, you don't always have EDID, and the only 16:9 resolution a Mac can do is 1080. Which is outside the boundaries of a lot of gear, making it somewhat useless since you don't always have a scaler to change the Mac's 1080 to a 720 signal, and doing so also degrades your video quality more than if the source is natively 720. And while I agree that 16:10 is a much better aspect ratio, Every basic screen owned by every AV company is built as 16:9 (or 4:3). So to do everything properly, you need to have that 16:9 signal flowing through from the source.

both adaptors are only $29 each. . . not $40-$50 as you exaggerated, showing again, you don't know what you are talking about.

My bad, I've never had to buy one, so I don't know the actual price, just that they are ridiculously expensive for what they are. Monoprice sells cheap crappy ones for $7, So multiply that by 5 to get an actual price. $35. Then include Apple's 20% overcharge cause it's Apple, I just assumed they were in the $40-50 range. But even $30 is a huge oversell compared to $7. The quality's not that much better.

May I suggest you stop doing any work at all on Macs?


Unfortunately, PlaybackPro Plus only runs on Macs, and is the industry standard for video playback. VLC just doesn't do professional production quite as well. Also, when the client brings in their own Mac, I can't really tell them we simply don't support/allow that. Customer service is somewhat important to some of us. I'd be perfectly happy if I didn't have to use Macs. The metal body is nice, but the user interface isn't friendly, the file system architecture is a pain to navigate, and their stupid mice didn't even come with two buttons! (Obviously, the last point is a joke. They have more than one button. Now.)

Why do you anti-Apple trolls have to lie? SHEESH!

I swear, you Apple fanatics are even more rabidly fanboi than those idiots who think Glock is better than sliced bread. Maybe you should understand that not everyone is only using their computers to go home, plug in to their Apple TV, relax on their iCouch, drink a cold iBeer, and then watch movies on iTunes. I'm not anti-Apple, I just don't agree with how many people buy their overpriced products for no reason other than "it's a Mac!", and I have no reason to like them more so than any other computer manufacturer.
143 posted on 02/22/2015 4:05:15 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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