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To: Billthedrill

Which God? Christianity is not the only source of moral philosophy and many if not most of the basic moral philosophy is derived from all of those earlier moral codes that were carried down through the centuries. Common moral truths and imperatives long predate Christianity and most of the common moral imperatives have existed in all societies and most religions since the beginning of recorded time. Even pagan tribes had moral codes, taboos and restrictions on behavior for the good of all. I have known many good, moral, and upstanding people over the years who have no particular belief in God, another deity, or any at all. That does not make them immoral, individual behavior that violates the accepted and lawful moral codes can make anyone immoral.


73 posted on 02/12/2015 11:04:55 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

I agree with this.

I think it’s possible to be moral AND Athiest. Doesn’t really happen a lot though.

Buddhism has moral codes people live by and they don’t necessarily believe in God or a God.

Our Founding Fathers came from different backgrounds: Purists, Episcopalian, Catholics, Humanists, etc. The greatness is what came from such a conglomeration of religious thought.


74 posted on 02/12/2015 11:10:28 AM PST by ReganDude (Give me liberty or give me death!! Cruz 2016!!)
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To: RJS1950
Which God?

It doesn't actually matter. I am aware that Christianity is not the only source of moral philosophy. Aristotle realized this before Christ was born - Metaphysics, Book V. And I am aware that many people practice codes of morality without believing in God. My point is that in the absence of external authority these codes are arbitrary and foundationless. You're certainly free to disagree.

80 posted on 02/12/2015 11:14:02 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: RJS1950

Clever. But your answer in no way argues against such rights having their source in God. Or do you believe that if one simply believes in a god that that god really is a god? Your assertion is breathtaking. I will leave it to you and others to interpret in which way breathtaking.


83 posted on 02/12/2015 11:16:39 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: RJS1950
Which God?

The signatories to the Declaration avoided any reasoned theological dispute, as among adherents to different nuances of Creation--or duties to God--by referring to the "Creator," as such. Whatever your theological view, the principle--i.e. that the legitimate function of Government is to secure the rights endowed by the Creator, to man in a natural state--is not dependent upon one's position on theological disputes as to the Creator's relation to man post Creation.

The compact theory of Government, as a rational consent to a particular Government, in common interest, is not dependent upon any of the theological questions that divide man in the pursuit of ultimate truths.

I would suggest that your query, here, is a "red herring" as to the elemental point under discussion.

Again, please read the document in context (Declaration Of Independence). It will provide many useful arguments against the endless succession of abuses that originate in slogan spewing Leftists, who count on Americans being ignorant of the underlying issues.

110 posted on 02/12/2015 12:09:55 PM PST by Ohioan
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