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Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight [Says sack Brady for Super Bowl if he cheated]
ESPN ^ | Jan. 23, 2015 | Ian O'Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:50:05 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: TexasGator

I don’t follow what you mean or meant.


301 posted on 01/24/2015 10:55:31 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

It means he didn’t do the math right.

The PSI is the pressure as measured by a gauge, above 1 atmosphere - instead of the absolute pressure which is what is needed for the equation.

To properly do the calculation, you need to use 27.2 instead of 12.5, as 14.7 + 12.5 = 27.2.

Thus the change in PSI would a little more than double what was calculated in that example.


302 posted on 01/24/2015 11:06:50 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Looks like the league officials used poorly calibrated gages when measuring the pressures originally.


303 posted on 01/24/2015 11:18:42 AM PST by Old fashioned
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To: lepton

“It’s a manufacturing standard forf the bladder inside the ball.”

It’s a rule.


304 posted on 01/24/2015 6:24:40 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: noinfringers2

“I don’t follow what you mean or meant.”

His calc is incorrect.


305 posted on 01/24/2015 6:27:23 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

So what are we arguing about here?


306 posted on 01/24/2015 10:10:44 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

No argument. You just framed his post as ‘scientific’.

He called the prof a moron BUT made the SAME mistake when he put up his ‘corrected’ solution!


307 posted on 01/25/2015 11:25:03 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

I think that’s a different post.


308 posted on 01/25/2015 1:43:45 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Colofornian

You had refs touching the ball forty times before half time, so it must not have been that big of a deal.


309 posted on 01/25/2015 1:47:05 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy; All
You had refs touching the ball forty times before half time, so it must not have been that big of a deal.

#1...these refs don't make their living tossing & catching footballs day in, day out, during football season. (guess who does?)

The pace of the NFL is fairly frenetic...not standing there...weighing the ball in hands each play.

#2...Baseball umpires may catch a scruffed up or cut-up baseball, but thats because they are constantly tossing out baseballs during the game...even when they don't carefully scrutinize them...Football refs simply rotate in the same balls...and don't have a "toss them out" mechanic ingrained in them

If baseball umps didn't toss out so many balls & used the same old 12 balls during the course of the same game, & didn't want to slow the game down by scrutinizing them...yes, you'd have more cut-up/scruffed-up/ lopsided (from that hard-hit double hit the previous inning) baseballs remaining in play.

And what? You don't know what pitchers can do with that? Or a slightly lopsided ball?

And for a pitcher who's been throwing with such baseballs 92 to 93% of ALL pitches the first half of a game then to give a press conference indicating they couldn't tell the difference when what they do is to throw baseballs for a living & toss them almost day in day out February thru October????

Wow!

Just how gullible ARE the Patriot online apologists to believe Brady's press-conference comments hook line & sinker?

310 posted on 01/25/2015 2:13:22 PM PST by Colofornian
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311 posted on 01/25/2015 4:31:56 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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312 posted on 01/25/2015 4:33:54 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: Colofornian

The pace of the NFL is fairly frenetic...not standing there...weighing the ball in hands each play.”

I agree. Brady has the ball such a short time under very frenetic conditions so he would never notice small pressure changes.


313 posted on 01/25/2015 5:02:21 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

(Oh...sure QBS NEVER handle any balls In those minutes before kickoffs)


314 posted on 01/25/2015 5:24:13 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Not a Patriot fan, but what was thw difference in the second half again?


315 posted on 01/25/2015 5:34:23 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Not a Patriot fan, but what was thw difference in the second half again?

Patriots played with 11 (of 12) underinflated footballs in first half; referees caught it late in first half & corrected it for 2nd half.

So some Patriot apologists (apologists for cheating) are claiming that since the Pats scored more pts in 2nd half (when balls were properly inflated) vs. the first half (when they weren't), that no advantage was gained.

IoW, since they won by a large margin, 'twas somehow irrelevant.

I merely pointed out that...

(a) even had the Pats won anyway, tis no different than if a Dem candidate who won "anyway" still gained illegal votes from "dead voters" or "multiple voters."

(b) Upon closer look, people can claim the inflated ball issue may have been "was a wash" ... but not really that the Pats did better with inflated balls vs. uninflated.

The reason for that is that 7 pts in the 2nd half were tied to a Patriot interception whereby no Patriot passes were involved (IoW...no Brady passes were tied to that TD). Also, aside from that the Patriots scored 3-of-5 drives in the first half and 3-of-5 drives in the 2nd half.

(c) As for the apparent still "even" nature of (b), a case can still be made that that the underinflated balls helped the Patriots score at least 7 pts in the first half that they would not have gotten...and that had the Colts been down by fewer points late-late in the lst qtr -- all the way to some point in the third qtr -- they would not have abandoned their run game -- vitally important because of the rainy conditions.

"Everyone knows" how difficult it is to sustain an offense in such rain minus a run game. And the Colts, once down 14-0, went from running the ball 40% of the time to just 13% of the time...only running the ball 3 times in 2+ quarters.

316 posted on 01/25/2015 6:50:44 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

“”Everyone knows” how difficult it is to sustain an offense in such rain minus a run game. And the Colts, once down 14-0, went from running the ball 40% of the time to just 13% of the time...only running the ball 3 times in 2+ quarters. “

I call BS on this. After it was 14-0, they ran two runs for a first down then went 3 and out on 3 passes.

They scored on their next possession to make it 14-7.

You don’t abandon your game plan when it is 14-7.


317 posted on 01/26/2015 9:50:46 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
I call BS on this. After it was 14-0, they ran two runs for a first down then went 3 and out on 3 passes.

No they didn't. They ran it on FD for five yds...a Herron run ... NOT a first...the FD they got was on a pass...then went 3 & out on 3 passes...

Find it: here

But I recounted the 2nd qtr and somehow missed the 1 yd TD run and another run...so they only ran it 4 more times the first half (not including Luck's intentional kneel to end the first half) vs. 13 more passes...

So after they were down...23 passes vs. only five runs from late lst qtr to end of 3rd qtr...about 83 percent pass game...

You don’t abandon your game plan when it is 14-7.

This is where your ignorance of the specific game is showing...because the Colts never had the ball when it was only 14 to 7.

NE took it down near end of first half to make it 17 to 7.

The colts only had 1 kneeldown to end lst half...and then the Pats rec'd kickoff to open the 2nd half...Except for that kneeldown, the Colts didn't have the ball from 4:five four left in first half to about 10 minutes left in 3rd qtr...

318 posted on 01/26/2015 1:18:04 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: TexasGator

The only time the Colts had the ball and had the “luxury” of losing only by 7 Was lst qtr...and not even late in lst qtr...either this was simply an honest oversight on your part or you’re apologist best to reconstruct the game itself


319 posted on 01/26/2015 1:27:33 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Given that the Colts started the game run-pass-pass not much changed.


320 posted on 01/26/2015 1:27:33 PM PST by TexasGator
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